Hang a bunch of school clocks all around the inside of the gazebo??? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BEDFORD NEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AP] Real time 'timecode'
Hi Lee, group, Here's the setup; a live gig... DJ's/musicians performing in the one and only powered gazebo, two HD (consumer) camera's running from mains power at different angles which I usually start when something 'interesting' happens or is about to, the performers have no knowledge of when I am or am not recording in general. One camera has an internal HDD so more or less recorded the whole last event on Sunday. The other was SD card only, so 1 X 32GB and a couple of 16GB cards were consumed. I usually leave these two running on record for hours at a time, its easier to do this and continue the 'mobile' shots as below, plus it acts as a somewhat security camera system for the gazebo, in case anyone decides to try and lift anything from the event, not that its happened yet thankfully. A Canon 7D (me) wandering around taking random shots of the crowds and anything interesting, not usually needed to be synced unless its relevant or when I'm near the gazebo suffices for the third camera, with a shotgun mic used as a scratch recording only, its hardly ever needed to be synced up though unless interviewing, where its recorded separately anyway. So, as you can see, its almost like trying to sync 'security camera' footage with random live mobile shots, not your normal scenario I guess. This free bi-annual event runs for 7 hours each time, they are not exactly forgiving for video but they do appreciate my efforts after they see the results, so I do wonder why I bother sometimes. It is old mates after all. After all these years of editing, knowing the limitations and available facilities over all the options out there, anyone from outside this group would probably ask the same question as I have in the exact same scenario, "why isn't the real timecode available on all the cameras?" Clapperboards are the normal when you know when things will/won't happen, but this is an almost totally random shoot, where the footage could easily be viewed in post (and synced) on multiple monitor windows and make life a whole lot easier in the long run, given that we've overcome everything else so far... we have so many other useful features that help us.... (My suggestion for PP6 at least!) I appreciate that the different 'meta-tags' from each camera would need to be read and outputted on screen, but its almost rudimentary that they all do have this built in and it could or should be a simple feature to add, after all, as every still picture has the date and time stamped by default. Maybe the next gen packages will have this now for multi-cam 'auto movies', who knows? Cheers, Neil. On 26 July 2011 21:03, Lee Menningen <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Neil > > If I understand correctly what you are after, you want to use a > camera-generated real-time mark to sync multi-cams. Right? This is > probably not something Adobe (or any other editing S/W) can fix. > Wouldn't one have to have every camera manufacturer add a new meta > data to time-tag, from its own internal clock, every frame without > affecting the video, since this has to be done before importing onto > the computer? And then wouldn't you have to calculate the time > differences between each of the clocks? > > Note that slates have been used for years (but they are useful more > for identifying disparate clips than for sync'ing, although I guess > they also work for video). From the term "slate" camera field mixers > often have what they call "slate" microphones intended for recording > an sound mark onto a video audio track. > > The best way I know to sync cameras is with the audio, not the video. > Every week I put together something made from 4 cameras (and now for > the last few months it is 5 cameras). The technique I use to allow > easy sync'ing is to feed the same audio to every camera; I avoid > on-camera mic's. Using the same audio stream makes it quite easy to > locate patterns in the waveform to sync on. I look for patterns > between pauses and/or for spikes. > > I have enough wireless receivers to do this; I use one set of wireless > belt pack transmitters which get audio from a house mixer or a > videographers field mixer. I have 4 JVC's and one Canon 7D and the > JVC's can each record an hour continuously and not slip sync with the > audio between them. (If you're using an external recorder that may not > be the case.) The Canon records shorter clips so I have to reestablish sync with them more often. > > Lee > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of Barry > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AP] Real time 'timecode' > > > > Hi All, > > Might be a silly question, but, having used recently some multicam > setups, I feel it would be really nice to be able to see (what you > never want to see on finished projects anyway), is the real time > actual event TC (minus > frames) in the preview window/project, which will obviously be removed > when you finalise it. > > So, as long as all the camera's are (more or less) running the same > time and date, it would become much more easy to sync multicam setups > if you could at least see the 'real time' in the monitor. > > I'm not being lazy or anything, its just .MOV files from the Canon 7D > mixed with the AVCHD ones from consumer 'fixed' cams are not exactly > easy to play around with as easy as I'd like them to be. > (Full time busy job kills all the time I have to even view the > footage, let alone mess about with any more steps or editing it with > TC in real time.) Not being able to sync all these timelines seems to > be either something I've overlooked or isn't available in PP 5. > > If its not there guys, this could be something Adobe needs to address > at least, its a rare occasion I've done a multicam, but its been a > real time killer trying to sync even when the cards are in order and > everything else is pretty solid otherwise. > > Cheers, > > Neil. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adobe-Premiere/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adobe-Premiere/join (Yahoo! 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