That's actually not a bad idea, trouble is, it would give the game away :-)
On 26 July 2011 23:48, Lee Menningen <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Hang a bunch of school clocks all around the inside of the gazebo??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > On Behalf Of BEDFORD NEIL > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:13 PM > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AP] Real time 'timecode' > > > Hi Lee, group, > > Here's the setup; a live gig... > > DJ's/musicians performing in the one and only powered gazebo, two HD > (consumer) camera's running from mains power at different angles which I > usually start when something 'interesting' happens or is about to, the > performers have no knowledge of when I am or am not recording in general. > One camera has an internal HDD so more or less recorded the whole last > event > on Sunday. The other was SD card only, so 1 X 32GB and a couple of 16GB > cards were consumed. > > I usually leave these two running on record for hours at a time, its easier > to do this and continue the 'mobile' shots as below, plus it acts as a > somewhat security camera system for the gazebo, in case anyone decides to > try and lift anything from the event, not that its happened yet thankfully. > > A Canon 7D (me) wandering around taking random shots of the crowds and > anything interesting, not usually needed to be synced unless its relevant > or > when I'm near the gazebo suffices for the third camera, with a shotgun mic > used as a scratch recording only, its hardly ever needed to be synced up > though unless interviewing, where its recorded separately anyway. > > So, as you can see, its almost like trying to sync 'security camera' > footage > with random live mobile shots, not your normal scenario I guess. > > This free bi-annual event runs for 7 hours each time, they are not exactly > forgiving for video but they do appreciate my efforts after they see the > results, so I do wonder why I bother sometimes. It is old mates after all. > > After all these years of editing, knowing the limitations and available > facilities over all the options out there, anyone from outside this group > would probably ask the same question as I have in the exact same scenario, > "why isn't the real timecode available on all the cameras?" > Clapperboards are the normal when you know when things will/won't happen, > but this is an almost totally random shoot, where the footage could easily > be viewed in post (and synced) on multiple monitor windows and make life a > whole lot easier in the long run, given that we've overcome everything else > so far... we have so many other useful features that help us.... > (My suggestion for PP6 at least!) > > I appreciate that the different 'meta-tags' from each camera would need to > be read and outputted on screen, but its almost rudimentary that they all > do > have this built in and it could or should be a simple feature to add, after > all, as every still picture has the date and time stamped by default. Maybe > the next gen packages will have this now for multi-cam 'auto movies', who > knows? > > Cheers, > > Neil. > > On 26 July 2011 21:03, Lee Menningen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Neil > > > > If I understand correctly what you are after, you want to use a > > camera-generated real-time mark to sync multi-cams. Right? This is > > probably not something Adobe (or any other editing S/W) can fix. > > Wouldn't one have to have every camera manufacturer add a new meta > > data to time-tag, from its own internal clock, every frame without > > affecting the video, since this has to be done before importing onto > > the computer? And then wouldn't you have to calculate the time > > differences between each of the clocks? > > > > Note that slates have been used for years (but they are useful more > > for identifying disparate clips than for sync'ing, although I guess > > they also work for video). From the term "slate" camera field mixers > > often have what they call "slate" microphones intended for recording > > an sound mark onto a video audio track. > > > > The best way I know to sync cameras is with the audio, not the video. > > Every week I put together something made from 4 cameras (and now for > > the last few months it is 5 cameras). The technique I use to allow > > easy sync'ing is to feed the same audio to every camera; I avoid > > on-camera mic's. Using the same audio stream makes it quite easy to > > locate patterns in the waveform to sync on. I look for patterns > > between pauses and/or for spikes. > > > > I have enough wireless receivers to do this; I use one set of wireless > > belt pack transmitters which get audio from a house mixer or a > > videographers field mixer. I have 4 JVC's and one Canon 7D and the > > JVC's can each record an hour continuously and not slip sync with the > > audio between them. (If you're using an external recorder that may not > > be the case.) The Canon records shorter clips so I have to reestablish > sync with them more often. > > > > Lee > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Barry > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:01 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [AP] Real time 'timecode' > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Might be a silly question, but, having used recently some multicam > > setups, I feel it would be really nice to be able to see (what you > > never want to see on finished projects anyway), is the real time > > actual event TC (minus > > frames) in the preview window/project, which will obviously be removed > > when you finalise it. > > > > So, as long as all the camera's are (more or less) running the same > > time and date, it would become much more easy to sync multicam setups > > if you could at least see the 'real time' in the monitor. > > > > I'm not being lazy or anything, its just .MOV files from the Canon 7D > > mixed with the AVCHD ones from consumer 'fixed' cams are not exactly > > easy to play around with as easy as I'd like them to be. > > (Full time busy job kills all the time I have to even view the > > footage, let alone mess about with any more steps or editing it with > > TC in real time.) Not being able to sync all these timelines seems to > > be either something I've overlooked or isn't available in PP 5. > > > > If its not there guys, this could be something Adobe needs to address > > at least, its a rare occasion I've done a multicam, but its been a > > real time killer trying to sync even when the cards are in order and > > everything else is pretty solid otherwise. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Neil. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adobe-Premiere/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adobe-Premiere/join (Yahoo! 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