On 5/14/20 8:52 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Aisha Tammy <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 5/14/20 7:24 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> Kyle Willett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think OpenBSD advocacy could do more too. I read on an open source >>>> news site that Lenovo is going to start offering a Fedora Linux option >>>> on their Thinkpad lineup and already certifies some for Red Hat >>>> Enterprise Linux. I think it would be great if we could get some >>> >>> Who is "we"? >>> >>>> hardware manufacturer to certify OpenBSD on a device and offer it >>>> pre-installed as an OS choice. I think that would be a good thing for >>>> the project. Maybe an AMD64 x86_64 laptop is too much at first and >>>> maybe we should start with one of the arm or mips laptops supported >>> >>> Who is "we"? >>> >>>> well by OpenBSD. I don't know just a dream I have. >>> >>> Why go around telling people your dreams? Why not do all this yourself? >>> You don't need a mailing list for it. Is it your dream that others in the >>> group "we" will do what you dream? >>> >>> What you are doing here is advocating that other people do that which >>> you don't and won't do yourself. To be honest, it comes off small minded. >>> >> >> There are many possible assumptions of what they could have meant, I don't >> think there is a need to be overly harsh to their attitude. For all I know >> they might be an enthusiastic college student who wants to help. > > I suspect you are an enthusiastic person who wants to send a mail to us, > telling us what to do. > Sorry if it seemed like that. I am not telling anyone what to do. I am asking for suggestions on what I could do more.
> But that which you dream of? You won't left a leg to do any of it. > >> Voicing your ideas and finding like minded people is a good motivator for >> doing a project. > > No, doing work is what makes projects. > > You are just typing words > >> @Kyle, I do appreciate your enthusiasm. >> That said, I do agree that going straight to hardware is far from what is >> possible as a short term goal. >> >> I think it is better by starting to do small things, > > I agree it is better to DO THINGS. > > But you are writing words. I do try to help in any small way that I can in ports@, though I am not too good at it yet. > >> I've already asked the newsletters to hopefully include the recent news >> about >> wireguard patches (even though it is not confirmed to be included yet, please >> don't kill me over this) and hopefully I get a positive response :) . > > The world is so full of writing about writing about doing stuff, but > short of people who actually do stuff. > > You are one of those writers, it appears... > >> I know this is not a lot but I am hoping slowly things can turn >> up for the better. >> >> As always, am open any other ideas you might have. >> >> (I tried to be terse, I think I failed) > > What a waste of time. > In that case, could you tell what was the idea behind creating an advocacy list, which on the site says: for promoting the use of OpenBSD ? Is this not what it is? I am also confused why so furious at me? I don't think I've done anything horrible?
