On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:34:32PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:03, brian d foy wrote:
> > I in no way intended it to be funny or light. I fyou have a change,
> > send it in. Complaining about not having the source is no an excuse for
> > not sending changes.
> 
> Well, sure. Here's my first change:
> 
> 1. Add a button to the top saying "Online Tutorials".
> 
> 2. Add the following HTML at the page pointed to it:
> 
> http://www.shlomifish.org/perl-tutorials.html.wml
> 
> I'll be waiting for it to be applied before I send my next change.

Er, why? What if the stewards of learn.perl.org reject your change?
Perhaps you should start a dialogue regarding these changes first.

Yes, I realize you could consider the last 3 or so years of email a
"dialogue" but it's sounded more like a monologue to me. For instance,
bdf is under the impression that you want to "take over" learn.perl.org.
He is not alone in that impression. Most of your emails to this point
have sounded like "learn.perl.org sucks and I can make it better if
you'd just let me change it"

And above, presupposing that your changes will be applied doesn't win
you any friends either. If it's possible, you should try to start over
and be a little more humble in your requests. Start with "here's a small
change to learn.perl.org that I think will benefit the perl community"
and go from there. Your text above is agressive and pushy--"here's a
change, I'll be waiting for you to apply it"

Be less pushy.

> > He has his own site. He can do whatever he wants 
> > there. 
> 
> I know, which I am doing. Still I would like to see learn.perl.org improved 
> too. And if perl-begin is in ship-shape but no one is aware of it, then what 
> has the wise men helped with their ruling?

Sounds like you've spent too little time promoting perl-begin. If the
"standard" perl sites aren't giving in to your requests, then a way to
make things better is to create and promote your own sites such that
they become the "standard". It doesn't matter if learn.perl.org is given
in books and what not if you do a good job promoting your site *and*
it's clearly a better resource.  Darwin always wins in the end.

my two cents,

-Scott
-- 
Jonathan Scott Duff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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