"I find it very repetitive.  In fact I suspect one learns to
play jazz partly through learning a series of rather
standard routines."


Derek's speculation is actually not far from the truth.  Like most other
popular forms of music, basic jazz technique is readily teachable and is
normally done so just this way.  I have a non-trivial amount of experience
playing jazz guitar, although I abandoned it precisely because I could not
think past habitual playing (it impresses my friends and family but on
reflection is immensely frustrating).  Jazz pedagogy begins, and all too
often ends, with instructions for soloing revolving around utilizing select
scales over given harmonies.  For example, one is taught if a progression,
as it is expected to repeat, has a major 7th (especially when augmented) to
play in its major (root) or relative Lydian modes with preference for the
Lydian because of its implicit modulation (for example, C Lydian is formally
equivalent with G major).  Such a basis for technique can become quite
advanced, and countless players adapt to it and can solo, with apparent
success, by stringing together practiced rhythms and ideas following the
learned, then gradually habitual, modes and scale fragments appropriate for
the chord progression.  Freer improvisation ignores these heuristics to
varying degrees, but as it increases in remoteness it tends toward the
chaotic (usually with intention to do so).  Music as a meaningful category
loses its grip.  That said, I think that jazz technique can be developed
artistically and glimpses of that are present when a minority of performers
improvise with genuine command of their instruments and the technique.  If
pressed for a summary statement regarding jazz, I would identify it as a
performative art and art of performing.  In contrast, what is generally
termed Western art music traditionally consists in an art of composition.
Indeed cults have developed around performers for centuries, but the focus,
and honorific title of "art", stays with the composers and their
compositions.  Jazz music is obviously structured around performance, it
takes seriously the notion of improvisation, that aspect of performance
technique that is, and has traditionally been, the performer's own, as a
musical art-form.  Improvisation has long been a primary engine of creation
for Western music.  Those most famous musicians of the 19th century, such as
Liszt and Chopin, were experts in preludizing and fantasizing (extempore
developing fantasias, the genre itself is rooted in improvisation).  Jazz's
artistic potential is invested in the realm of performance, its community of
musicians instead of composers.  The art of jazz, like any art, requires
decisive imagination, which is what most commonly practicing musicians lack.
Jazz guitarists need to learn more than 3 chords, unlike their rock
counterparts, but reading musical notation is yet optional as well as even a
rudimentary understanding of harmony.  A serious problem with jazz, rock and
other forms of music employing the Western tonal system is that they all
think vertically, but harmonic progression is/was a result of thinking
horizontally.  Memorization of sound and finger positions fills the gap and
leaves some of us (apparently a minority) wondering when the music is
coming.  This is the unfortunate consequence of audiences often being
receptive only to technical gymnastics or memorable tunes.  Nonetheless,
using the inherited tonal language and more unfamiliar sonorities as a basis
for an art of performance and improvisation is alive and properly the
artistic claim of jazz music.

Jazz musicians generally disagree with my conception of jazz (and more often
take offense when accused of a poverty of musical comprehension), but those
that do also spout rhetoric about "feeling the music" and the allure of
head-bobbing or finger-snapping with the beat and loving the chatter above
it.  But the art is in the details.  A player that can "spontaneously" (this
word must always be used generously as it concerns any musician who
practices a specific form rigorously) develop a harmonic exploration without
relying on it as a structural crutch--i.e. not repeating 8 bar patterns ad
nauseum--and further elaborate its relations as they unfold
semi-procedurally, but never rehearsed, is genuinely comprehending the
elements, the necessary impact of using the tonal language inherited from
Classical-Romantic music, of the art.  I insist that a dialogue be furthered
with preceding jazz practice, but in here I emphatically agree with Adorno
that nothing was new in jazz music, materially, through the 1950s.  If in
disagreement, go listen to Beethoven Op. 111 again.  1823, it's all there.
Even in the 50s and 60s when the horizon of material includes 20th century
developments, even if appropriated for illegitimate reasons, it was not the
originating form.  Coltrane's Meditations stab at an aesthetic jazz can call
its own, but again, in consideration of effect (as Coltrane's freer pieces
are considered largely in terms of effect) I'd suggest Webern accomplished
this and more, with profoundly more substance.  I have anticipated that jazz
music is developing its own material, but a downside, to identify one, of
making art out of a performance practice is that the material is not given
priority, and is done so without realizing the material determines the
procedures applicable to its manipulation.  In the 60s I get the sense jazz
musicians encountered this with sincerity, but on all other fronts, musical
practice abandoned material development and also began to fetishize the
process (want to discuss impoverished music, Spectral music anyone?) just
without a beat to hang onto...But I'm not a New Music apologist (although I
think the last "great composer" was Bartok.  Subsequently exceptional pieces
have been written but not by a single person demonstrating incisive musical
vision or sense), nor a performer of it.  I think 90% of my piano playing
the last few weeks has been devoted to works by Bach.

As a side note, Derek, a fruitful discussion is possible if one side of the
discussion does not dismiss the other out of hand without substantiation.
Evaluating jazz as an impoverished form of music, on musical terms, is
completely defensible if your point of reference is Benny Goodman or Louis
Armstrong, but maintaining such a position on a small number of uninspiring
performances or the ubiquitous brand of piped-in store/radio/tv jazz is not
(in my own delusional world I don't take music presented in the most popular
media to be representative of current musical forms).  As usual with your
counterexamples you name composers then deny in some form that you hold them
reverently, but I have yet to see even a passing explication of an aspect of
a work by Mozart, or more recently Ockeghem, that you find exemplary in
comparison to others.

-Brian


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Music and all that jazz -correction

Re: 'Jazz is an adventure in music, an exploration of sound
relationships and its variety, I contest cannot be reduced
to homogeneity.'


Re: 'Your description below fits exactly the assessment of
Adorno, which was inadequate and which I pointed to in my
earlier post.'

So I have Adorno on my side?  How unusual.

Re: "and that the discussion is proving fruitless."

What would be fruitful? If I agreed with you?  In matters
such as this there is no question of convincing the other
person. Only the music can do the persuasion. Jazz has
persuaded me - not to like it.

DA

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