Derek writes:

"Re:   "it does somewhat require your saying why you call X "art" and P not."

"But that would require me having a list of criteria for what is and what is
not art.   I know of no such list and have never seen oneb&. I cannot *prove*
that a work is a work of art and I do
not believe anyone    repeat anyone - can. So why would I waste my time
trying? "

Derek, you altogether miss -- or sidestep -- the point of the charge against
you.   At no point in my posting did I ask you to "prove" that something IS a
work of art. Nor did I ask for any LIST of criteria for all artworks. And I
explicitly conveyed I am not asking for your definition of art.

I intentionally sculpted my posting to avoid all such "global" demands
because I suspected you would use them as escape hatches to evade answering.

I asked that when you pronounce a given work -- X, Y Z etc --to BE art or Not
art, you tell us the reason why you, Derek, at that moment, call that work
art, or call it not art.

I want to believe you have a reason for applying the label 'art' or 'not art'
at that moment. Because if you don't, or even if you say you must have a
reason but you just can't think of it right now, then I'm afraid that brands
all
such pronouncements of yours as effectively vacuous.



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