I was a bit surprised when Cheerskep just told us that "paintings exist in the
non-notional world". Wouldn't he have only recognized the existence of an
area in his visual field -- and then say that it was notational to call some
part of it a painting ?
So now I'm curious -- just what he -- and everyone else on this list -- think
exists when standing in the middle of the Sistine Chapel and looking west?
It might be interesting to make a check list of things that might "exist"
there -- and have each of us check off "exists" or "not exists" next to each
them.
For example:
* reflected light does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* a wall does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* plaster and pigments does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* depiction of the Last Judgment does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* illusions of volume and space does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* high quality of drawing does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* profound spiritual vision does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* great work of art does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* very famous work of art does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* cryptic map to the Holy Grail does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
I'd be inclined to recognize the existence of everything listed above --
except for the last.
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>Language stumbles are rampant on this forum, but they are merely defective
nets and hooks as our listers fish for the more
fundamental issue -- an ontological one. The issue concerns what "exists"
and what doesn't -- e.g. paintings exist in the non-notional world, "art"
does
not.
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