Having failed (so far) to do the homework suggested by Frances I will
answer, for the time being, that all your examples "exist' as notions
pointing to some apparent reality. There will be less consensus regarding
the "reality" of the cryptic map to the Holy Grail (I would offer a
heffalump as an alternative challenge). However, that we can imagine a
cryptic map to the Holy Grail seems to give it (the map) a certain kind of
"existence".
The question I wish to pose to Boris: given that points do not exist, does
Boris exist? (no sarcasm intended) If so (and I hope so) what is the
difference between what exists and what does not?
Geoff C
From: "Chris Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Examining the theory
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:19:04 GMT
I was a bit surprised when Cheerskep just told us that "paintings exist in
the
non-notional world". Wouldn't he have only recognized the existence of an
area in his visual field -- and then say that it was notational to call
some
part of it a painting ?
So now I'm curious -- just what he -- and everyone else on this list --
think
exists when standing in the middle of the Sistine Chapel and looking west?
It might be interesting to make a check list of things that might "exist"
there -- and have each of us check off "exists" or "not exists" next to
each
them.
For example:
* reflected light does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* a wall does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* plaster and pigments does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* depiction of the Last Judgment does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* illusions of volume and space does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* high quality of drawing does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* profound spiritual vision does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* great work of art does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* very famous work of art does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
* cryptic map to the Holy Grail does exist [ ] does not exist [ ]
I'd be inclined to recognize the existence of everything listed above --
except for the last.
***********
>Language stumbles are rampant on this forum, but they are merely
defective
nets and hooks as our listers fish for the more
fundamental issue -- an ontological one. The issue concerns what "exists"
and what doesn't -- e.g. paintings exist in the non-notional world, "art"
does
not.
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