I feel the the artists today are more aware of the significance of the empty spaces as part of the design created by
the borders.
mando

On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:36 AM, William Conger wrote:

One actually interesting aspect of the "4 edges as if they were marks" is its relationship to earlier art. For instance, the Impressionist painters were much interested in the "slice of life" composition, as if the picture was an arbitrary slice of reality. They were influenced of course by photography but they were also trying to suggest the sweep of the gaze, the gaze being the rectangle of the canvas. Degas was one of the most skilled at this, often showing just a seemingly arbitrary part of something at the very edges of his paintings. He was all but obsessive about his compositions, frequently tracing over them again and again, to find the right placement. Manet is another example. Most of the others, too. This influenced modernist painting from Matisse onward. Looking back past the Impressionists, one can find many instances where Baroque painters were exploiting the edges of their paintings to project the illusion they portrayed into real space. Going back still further one could find numerous references to the same idea. It would make a good essay.
WC


--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Michael Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Michael Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Marks on Canvas
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:35 AM
On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Chris Miller wrote:

William's interpretation is probably more accurate
-- since he
actually talked
to the old guy  half a century ago -- but your
interpretation is
reasonable --
given the common sense absurdity of calling the edges
of a painting
"the
artist's first marks on the canvas"

Hoffman did NOT call them the "the *artist's*
first marks." You labor
on the periphera of stupidity every time you hit the Send
button.

The sides of the canvas serve as the first four marks
(four, because
most pictures are rectangles) because they are the edges of
the
shapes, the absolute termina of the canva.
Lines--"marks--on the
canvas divide the surface into areas and shapes, and the
drawn lines,
we have all been taught, represent *imaginary* things that
define or
depict the edges of shapes on a canvas. Let's say your
first mark on a
canvas is a diagonal line from slightly inside the upper
left corner
to slightly to the right of the bottom center. One mark,
two
trapezoids. And those trapezoids are formed from the three
sides of
the canvas and the diagonal line.

-- since it's a stretch to call such edges

I won't insult your pristine naovete by assuming that
you meant that
pun.

"marks" -- and one can't assume that
artists make their own canvases.

An idiotic argument. (But I insult idiots.)

(and if the edges are "marks" -- why not the
surface, smooth or
stippled, of the
canvas itself ? Why not the coat of primer ?)



Absurdity became de rigeur for art talk in the 20th C
-- and
accepting it is
what separated the insider from the philistine -- but
unfortunately,
it led
straight to Andy Warhol -- and finally to Damien
Hurst.

Back to the periphera of spelling. Didn't someone
mention this last
week?


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