I don't know. Tell me why there is or isn't. WC
--- On Sat, 10/11/08, armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Expertise and aesthetic experience > To: [email protected] > Cc: "armando baeza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 7:42 PM > Is there not such a thing as moral relativism in art. > mando > On Oct 11, 2008, at 2:40 PM, William Conger wrote: > > > That answer is not analytical. There are always some > people who > > advocate any view at all. So philosophically I think > it's pointless > > to justify a position on the grounds that some people > will choose > > it. The issue finally becomes a moral one. Is the > aesthtic > > limited to what is morally good and if so, does it > have a social/ > > political dimension? I think the aesthetic is > primarily a social > > affirmation, not a personal one, at least with respect > to > > approaching a workable definition of it. If we > approach it through > > the moral and the ethical then will that help to avoid > ending with > > purely solipsistic stalemates? > > WC > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/11/08, armando baeza > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: Expertise and aesthetic experience > >> To: [email protected] > >> Cc: "armando baeza" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 3:50 PM > >> To some people ,I think it certainly does. > >> mando > >> On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:41 PM, William Conger wrote: > >> > >>> So does porn qualify re aesthetic experience? > >>> WC > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Sat, 10/11/08, GEOFF CREALOCK > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: GEOFF CREALOCK > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Subject: Re: Expertise and aesthetic > experience > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 3:18 PM > >>>> Here is my "vague summary" > definition of > >>>> "aesthetic experience" > >>>> (idiosyncratic though it may be): a > satisfying or > >>>> significantly pleasurable > >>>> response, sustantially but not necessarily > solely > >>>> affective, to a stimulus > >>>> (painting, poem, play, photograph or > natural event > >> - add > >>>> your own > >>>> favourite). > >>>> I agree that definition is difficult, but > that is > >> not, for > >>>> me, a reason to > >>>> make no effort. (Look at the fine work of > >> President Bush to > >>>> manage national > >>>> debt.) > >>>> Geoff C > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> From: William Conger > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Reply-To: [email protected] > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Re: Expertise and aesthetic > >> experience > >>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:27:27 -0700 > (PDT) > >>>>> > >>>>> Most philosophers say that whatever > the > >> aesthetic > >>>> "experience" is, it > >>>>> cannot be fully explicated because to > do that > >> is to > >>>> describe it in terms > >>>>> separate from the experience. > Experience is a > >> flow, a > >>>> continuum, always > >>>>> mixed with a variety of feelings and > memories > >> in > >>>> addition to the moment at > >>>>> hand. How is it possible to isolate > "an > >>>> experience" except in vague > >>>>> summary? Thus I think the aesthetic > >> experience, a > >>>> faulty term, is > >>>>> ineffable. In fact, I suspect we > could say > >> the same > >>>> about any sort of > >>>>> experience whatsoever. We need to use > a > >> language to > >>>> reconstruct the > >>>>> presumed experience and that has its > own > >> experiental or > >>>> even aesthetic > >>>>> evocative and therefore constructive > aspects. > >> In > >>>> short, the word we use to > >>>>> describe our experience is also an > experience > >> and thus > >>>> has its own defining > >>>>> impact. > >>>>> > >>>>> Because no experience can be > replicated by a > >> language I > >>>> frankly have no > >>>>> idea what an aesthetic experience is. > Some > >> episodes of > >>>> my ongoing > >>>>> experiental life seem to be more > surprising > >> and > >>>> fascinating, and remind me > >>>>> of the "oceanic" metaphor, > like out > >> of body > >>>> fantasies, but, really, nothing > >>>>> is adequately both necessary and > sufficient to > >> describe > >>>> any experience > >>>>> without making it anew, and false. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am one who answered in the > affirmative > >> regarding the > >>>> "aesthetic" benefit > >>>>> of learning from critics. I use the > word > >> critic > >>>> expansively here, and > >>>>> apply it a range of writers from > writers like > >>>> Baudelaire to art scholars
