Lots of painting has been based on photos without being "photo-realist". This 
was true for some Impressionists. Some more recent painters deal with the photo 
as if it were nature; that is, their subject is the photograph, not what the 
photo depicts. Thus we can't always say the the photo "kills the essence of 
nature" when the photo itself is the "nature" being depicted.  More generally, 
it's almost impossible to find any post 1850 art that has not been somehow 
influenced by the camera lens, except, perhaps in some isolated cultures.  Of 
course the influence worked the other way around too.  Early photography 
frequently imitated painting and sculpture.  And some might argue that the 
photo lens itself imitates Renaissance perspective (the one-eye focus). What if 
the Egyptians had invented photography in, say, 1600 BCE?  What would their 
lens and images look like? Typical Egyptian imagery?
WC
 

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: armando baeza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Reading Peter Kivy Nd - looking through that telescope
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: "armando baeza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:10 PM
> My feeling about Photo Realism Painting of today is that it
> comes
> closer to killing the essence of  nature, rather than  the
> attempts to
> intensifying it, by making variations of it, without the
> camera.
> mando
> 
> On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:03 AM, William Conger wrote:
> 
> > Artists were very enthused by the development of
> photography,  
> > excepting the portrait painters.  In influence of
> photography on  
> > modernist painting is a most interesting topic.  It is
> still a  
> > major influence.
> > WC
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, GEOFF CREALOCK
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> From: GEOFF CREALOCK
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: Reading Peter Kivy Nd - looking
> through that telescope
> >> To: [email protected]
> >
> >
> >> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 9:55 PM
> >> Something like the impact of photography on the
> objectives
> >> of the painters
> >> of that time..
> >> Geoff C

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