That is also why the rule is "legal truth = beyond all reasonable doubt"
WC

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, GEOFF CREALOCK <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: GEOFF CREALOCK <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Malcolm Gladwell and beliefs
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:10 AM
> Michael: I don't understand that the courts are happy to
> leave it to the 
> jury to sort through all the information. It seems to me
> that witnesses are 
> asked to be careful, if not scrupulous, in what they
> report. I agree that, 
> in the end, the jury (or judge) comes to a conclusion about
> the "truth" but 
> the hope is that it is based on each witness' best
> efforts to be truthful.
> Which is it? You assume an either-or answer here. Persons
> differ. For some, 
> one answer may apply; for some the other.
> Geoff C
> 
> 
> >From: Michael Brady <[email protected]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: Malcolm Gladwell and beliefs)
> >Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:00:20 -0500
> >
> >On Dec 31, 2008, at 3:57 PM, GEOFF CREALOCK wrote:
> >
> >>"... All memories are fiction" I wonder
> if you would feel  constrained if 
> >>you were required to "tell the truth, the
> whole  truth, and nothing but 
> >>the truth".
> >
> >The truthfulness you allude to is a legal concept. A
> crucial part of  this 
> >use of "truth" is that it can be verified, or
> at least subjected  to tests 
> >of its veracity. Please note that in court, when
> testimony is  given and 
> >evidence adduced, all of the testimony and much of the 
> evidence consist of 
> >representations, which are fictions, they are 
> representation and reports 
> >and replicas of some thing or event. The  crime scene
> photographs, the eye 
> >witness's description, the 911 tape  recording,
> etc., all of them 
> >constitute parts of a total view of the  crime being
> prosecuted. After they 
> >are presented, they are then  tested. It is in the
> testing that the truth 
> >of the representations are  verified or disproved. The
> truth tests 
> >determine for the jury whether  the evidence is
> reliable. That's the truth 
> >of the matter.
> >
> >>Presumably one fiction is as good, or better than
> another.
> >
> >
> >Which is it? <g>
> >
> >
> >| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> >Michael Brady
> >[email protected]

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