How fuzzy may "beyond all reasonable doubt be in art"?
mando

On Jan 3, 2009, at 1:30 PM, William Conger wrote:

That is also why the rule is "legal truth = beyond all reasonable doubt"
WC

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, GEOFF CREALOCK <[email protected]> wrote:

From: GEOFF CREALOCK <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Malcolm Gladwell and beliefs
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:10 AM
Michael: I don't understand that the courts are happy to
leave it to the
jury to sort through all the information. It seems to me
that witnesses are
asked to be careful, if not scrupulous, in what they
report. I agree that,
in the end, the jury (or judge) comes to a conclusion about
the "truth" but
the hope is that it is based on each witness' best
efforts to be truthful.
Which is it? You assume an either-or answer here. Persons
differ. For some,
one answer may apply; for some the other.
Geoff C


From: Michael Brady <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Malcolm Gladwell and beliefs)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:00:20 -0500

On Dec 31, 2008, at 3:57 PM, GEOFF CREALOCK wrote:

"... All memories are fiction" I wonder
if you would feel  constrained if
you were required to "tell the truth, the
whole  truth, and nothing but
the truth".

The truthfulness you allude to is a legal concept. A
crucial part of  this
use of "truth" is that it can be verified, or
at least subjected  to tests
of its veracity. Please note that in court, when
testimony is  given and
evidence adduced, all of the testimony and much of the
evidence consist of
representations, which are fictions, they are
representation and reports
and replicas of some thing or event. The  crime scene
photographs, the eye
witness's description, the 911 tape  recording,
etc., all of them
constitute parts of a total view of the  crime being
prosecuted. After they
are presented, they are then  tested. It is in the
testing that the truth
of the representations are  verified or disproved. The
truth tests
determine for the jury whether  the evidence is
reliable. That's the truth
of the matter.

Presumably one fiction is as good, or better than
another.


Which is it? <g>


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