The chinese painting is comprised mostly of overlapping brush strokes  
which create some minimal space.  There is a triangular shaped group  
of brush strokes that recedes into the background that suggests the  
ground foliage which is a piece of freehanded linear perspective.
The other painting is more atmospheric with very little perspective.
I've been studying comics lately and have that there are some  
excellent draughtsmen working in the medium.  This drawing uses  
linear perspective and a lot of overlapping shapes:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1234030046


Here are a couple of painters that use dramatic linear and  
atmospheric perspective:  Robert Birmelin and Steven Campbell.   Both  
had works exhibited here in Minneapolis in the 80's and I admired  
them. I use to do drawings which were stylistically similar.  While I  
was looking for examples of Steven Campbell for this post I was sorry  
to find out that he past away from a ruptured appendix a few years ago.

http://www.gpsart.co.uk/published_artists/campbell_steven/ 
campbell_exb_0804.htm

http://www.theartweb.net/birmilin/18.html
On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Chris Miller wrote:

> I'm not quite sure, David, how you're using the words 'pictorial  
> space' and
> 'perspective'. For example, would you consider the following  
> paintings to have
> either one ?:
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_u_KW4nuKg9k/SJUYWOod4CI/AAAAAAAAFl0/ 
> ufmVvaXzvyY/s16
> 00-h/o2.jpg
>
>
> (the artist is Chen Wu, and the painting is  dated 1832)
>
>
> http://www.corbettvsdempsey.com/artists/barazani/works/gallery/ 
> large/valley_f
> og.jpg
>
> (the artist is Morris Barazani, the date is 1972)
>
>
>
>
>                      ************
>
>
> Much of drawing and painting technique has to do with giving the  
> viewer a
> feeling of pictorial space which perspective is a part. German  
> psychologists
> coined a term, "gestalt", which refers in part to our ability to  
> discern
> figures or form from the background. The ability to, for example,  
> to discern
> visually an apple on a tree from the background in order to pick  
> it. We have
> evolved a host of ways to use vision to navigate in space and to  
> manipulate
> objects. Artists in the past have learned to exploit these things  
> in order
> create their compositions. Linear and atmospheric perspective,  
> overlapping
> shapes, and groupings of related colors have all been used to  
> create pictorial
> space. I consider them almost truths because they are aspects of human
> psychology. There is variation in human brains, however. Some  
> people are color
> blind, for example. The problem with terms like "visual literacy" and
> "formalist credentials" may be chalked up to the fact that the  
> artworld, like
> a lot of other fields, has developed its own esoteric language  
> which doesn't
> have a lot of meaning to anyone who hasn't been through art school.  
> We should
> be conscious of that.
>
>
>
>
>
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