A collector  has photographed my palettes (plaster picnic plates) and even made 
a little catalog showing a few dozen of his photos.  He insists that my 
mark-making on the palettes, where I swirl together paint mixtures, echoes the 
marks and even compositions of my paintings.  I think there is an evident 
kinship  but I think it's a result of his cropping the photos to fit the look 
of the paintings.  Anyway, his photos are nice.  Normally, I throw out my 
palettes every few days but now, after they've been fetish-ized by the 
collector,  I do it with renewed vigor! Artists must be like callous dictators 
in their ruthless destruction of any romantic affections for their craft.  
Since my palettes are round plates, they are like so many bloodied heads  
tossed into the bucket --decapitated, sacrificial, necessary. We must never 
forget that art is monstrous, however seductive it may appear.  It's that most 
fundamental of paradoxes: dread in the presence of solace.
wc




________________________________
From: Saul Ostrow <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; William 
Conger <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:47:36 AM
Subject: Re: Marks

Every work of art partakes of multiple  recursive an generative discourses -
what the aesthetic object/ material artifact is, is different than  what it
might be about and this differs from the texts that are genrated in the
process of trying to comprehend both the is and the about and the relationship
between the two


On 6/29/09 1:54 AM, "William Conger" <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't think the artists would need to be unworthy since there are social and
cultural reasons why an artist is worthy that may over-ride the marks.  The
marks themselves don't have much if anything to do with art quality.  I do
think one can id the marks of a given school of art, like impressionism or AE
or the 21C favoring of thinner and more graphic marks. I don't think we can
really compare word marks with paint marks anyway..

wc


________________________________
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 11:27:32 PM
Subject: Re: Marks

In a message dated 6/29/09 12:11:11 AM, [email protected] writes:


> I actually did recognize a few of Miller's mark details but that's
> because I'm
> familiar with the same museum he went to.  Monet, Harnett, Cezanne, a lot
> of
> 20 mid century, a few 21C, and 19C, plus 17C marks.
>
But isn't it true that you could recognize scores of unworthy "artists" who
were obviously of their century because they adopted various
characteristics of their age? I have believed that if you could show me a
play
(with the
playwright's name blacked out) I could place it within a twenty-year
"period".



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