yep! this old liberal fogy agrees.
mando
On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:16 AM, William Conger wrote:
A classic issue re human rights and art comes up today at the
Tate.Modewrn An exhibition by artist Richard Prince has been
closed because it contains a nude image of Brooke shields when she
was an underage girl of 10 or 11. Censorship or protecting the
rights of a child against abuse? Tough call for me as an artist
championing art. YetI lean toward favoring the closing because
Prince has many, many ways to express his aesthetic and art --
assuring his freedom -- but a child, now, or recollected via a
photo -- has no way to choose her freedom except by protective law
(in this case, laws re obscenity). Yep, close the show!
wc
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From: Boris Shoshensky <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 9:35:28 AM
Subject: Re: Facture
" All people are created equal"
Only when it is concerning, ideally, human rights. Mental and
physiological
potentials are not.
Boris Shoshensky
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Facture
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT)
All claims for art identity are equal, meaning equally
propositional. Some
claims have more credence but they are still propositional. All
people are
created equal; some have more advantages than others.
My logic is air tight, Miller, air tight. Solid as granite,
shining like
gold; learned, insightful, weighty and sharp as honed steel. Don't
draw your
sword on me unless you are prepared to carry your head home in a
basket.
Swoosh!
wc
________________________________
From: Chris Miller <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:25:28 PM
Subject: Re: Facture
Its a dialogic and synergetic model - it is what allows a work to
exceed its
times ("Art is the material (visual) assemblage that results form a
non-disciplinary
modeling of experience, data, information, and knowledge")
As well as the reverse. (Just because something is different
doesn't mean
it's any better.)
But isn't allowed/not allowed a dead issue by now, anyway?
Hasn't it been beaten to death for at least 100 years?
What's needed is a model for *enabled* -- and that's where some
notion of
discipline can be important.
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BTW -- within 24 hours William, our advocate of rigorous logic,
has written:
"in the case of art, all claims are equal"
followed soon after by:
"Some claims can be stronger than others"
Not that logic can always be applied to questions of art and
aesthetics,
but if A = B, then A cannot be stronger or weaker than B.
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