From day one,
The essence can only be expressed as an interpretation, but never duplicated. Abstractions can only take it only to the point of it's absence, it's worth a try.
mando

On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:43 AM, William Conger wrote:

Every sound will evoke reference, just as every shape does, and every color. In fact, the more 'abstract' the more references there are. There is no such thing as non-representational. The quest for meaninglessness is simply the quest for the maximum evocations. Some people can't perceive or project many references, some can. The fewer references one senses the dumber that person is...or, more likely, the more conditioned that person is. Nevertheless, we all need to use conditioned references most of the time (as when that tree is in my path so I must move around it). But once we realize that we can operate (think) in multiple metaphorical tracks at once, some rational and sequential or logical, some imaginative, non-sequential, poetic, then we can realize how wonderful experience and consciousness can be. So, the more you approach meaninglessness, the closer you get to imaginative and creative freedom and...paradoxically...meanings. It's so
 simple that it is too opaque for Kivy and many others.
WC


----- Original Message ----
From: Chris Miller <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:31:18 AM
Subject: Re: Reading Kivy: Chapter 4 "On the Unity of Form and Content" - A. C. Bradley

sounds are represented by words
the same as colors and forms, no ? (mando)


We can certainly try.

But not only will that representation be quite different from any example of
actual sound, color, or form -- but it
will also may  be quite different for each of us.

Kivy goes to some length to argue that non-verbal sounds represent nothing -
and he will even suggest that this is why
they can "liberate" us from our heavy burdens of thinking about the world.

(he does not make the same claim about abstract painting - though I'm not sure
why)


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