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From: john m <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, March 15, 2012 2:27:55 PM
Subject: descriptive / empirical aesthetics?

Hi everyone,

I'm new to aesthetic theory (and to this list) so please bear with me a
while - I need some educated opinions!

I'm facing the unenviable task of putting into writing my personal approach
to aesthetics - which naturally seems solid and incontestable to myself -
and I'd be very grateful if anyone here could a) point me towards any
established theories that might be roughly on the same lines with my idea
(I haven't found any), and b) point out any significant flaws in my
approach. What I'm getting at is a "descriptive" (as opposed to
"prescriptive") aesthetics, one that instead of trying to explain what
makes art good or bad (prescription), tries to explain how and why the
aesthetic experience comes about (description). As I see it, any valid
criticism of any artwork must seek to transcend subjectivism (personal
taste), if it is to avoid the cul-de-sac of subjectivism/solipsism.

I think I'll save everyone the embarrassment and post only a very crude
outline of my main points:

1. A "work of art" is any thing produced by an artist with the explicit
intention of producing a work of art. No narrower definition is possible
without prescribing what is and isn't "art"

This claim is refuted by the obvious fact that much art in the world has 
unknown 
own authors and thus unknown intentions.  Further, the intentionality of the 
artist's  actions may be necessary to make the object or identify the art 
concept it is by no means sufficient to ensure something being considered a 
work 
of art.

2. The physical form of an artwork is an accumulation of intentional
choices (operations of imagination) of the artist. Choices made during the
creative process are encoded in the physical form of the artwork; they
could be called information, or evidence.

Again, the intentionality issue undercuts your argument. Many artists claim 
that 
they 'intended' one thing but actually did another.  sometimes they say that 
'accident' was an unintended benefit.  Whole movements in art history in the 
20thC were based on randomness or a throw of the dice or were uncharted and 
unknowable (current situational art is an example)  See the Intentional Fallacy.

3. The essence of an artwork - the PRIMARY source of aesthetic experience -
is located in this information about the creative process of the artist
(and nowhere else). The evidence is an interface between the physical
appearance of the work and the creative process. (This point seems to me
crucial, as serious problems will arise as soon as we try to locate the
essence anywhere else - say, "significant form", ideal proportions,
likeness to ideas, etc.)

Appearance of the work to whom?  What's the creative process?  What's an 
essence 
that is stable enough to be examined objectively?  You are probably not able to 
avoid the 'solipsistic conclusion. Once you agree that art is a social 
construct 
and not a universal condition of something then you can examine how social 
constructs alter how art is perceived, not only in different times but in 
interlaced distinctions within one era. The bottom line here is that nothing is 
beautiful or art until someone says so and for that to be art in a cultural 
sense a lot of people with 'authority'  need to say so.  See The Institutional 
Theory and Foucault (on power).  We've all heard the stories about artists who 
go to their graves insisting that their work was great art but fully ingnored 
then and forever.  Less remembered are the many artists who dismissed or threw 
away their work as failed only to have some 'authority' rescue it and put it 
into a serious 'great art' context.



4. In order to understand a work of art, we must renounce (at least part
of) our own subjective taste and seek identification with the subjective
aesthetic of the artwork (that is, the subjective aesthetic of the artist
during his creative process). Otherwise our taste judgements will interfere
in the process of familiarizing ourselves with the work.

This sounds like Tolstoy whose aesthetic theory was based on communication, 
meaning the communication of the artist's expression or feeling to the 
beholder. 
 It also mimics the correspondence theory. But a little analysis shows that 
nothing is communicated intact or that any assurance can be found that the 
artist's expressive feelings are actually embodied in the work (I say no). 
 After all, the beholder's response might be more effulgent that the artist's
feelings or intentions, etc.  And what does it mean to understand an artwork?   
 Cheerskep will come running and declaring yet again that you can't rely on 
presumed meanings for words (I agree that words have no meanings at all outside 
of specific, unstable contexts) and thus you must carefully define each and 
every concept you mention hoping to "stir similar notions" in the minds of your 
readers.


5. The intense familiarization of oneself with an artwork results in
aesthetic judgment (taste) being replaced with empirical knowledge: to
"like" a work then becomes equivalent with being well acquainted with it.
Failure to derive aesthetic experience from a work typically results from
inadequate familiarization (and that usually results from taste judgements
interrupting the process).

There are a whole range of aesthetic theories based on strangeness or puzzle or 
problem, etc.  For those theories, it's the strangeness itself, its 
provocative, 
incomprehensible propositions that constitute the aesthetic.  You would need to 
show how your view accounts for those opposite views and why your view is 
better. There's the old saw, too, about familiarity breeds contempt.  
sometimes, 
perhaps most of the time, when we become very familiar with this or that 
artwork 
we no longer experience the buzz of the first excitement with it.  As for 
replacing the aesthetic feeling or A-Ha moment, what Kant regarded as 
involuntary, with empirical knowledge, one may be more involved with 
appreciation or connoisseurship  instead of the aesthetic.

I could go on but I'll stop here for now... I'm sorry if my language is
muddy, inarticulate or tautological - I'm not well-read on the subject, and
all this is very much a layman's attempt at describing empirically what
happens when I look at / listen to / experience art. Any thoughts /
criticism / recommendations?

I admire your efforts in doing this and I do think that one can devise a theory 
of art that in general terms can stand alone.  But aesthetics as a 
philosophical 
topic is a very busy place and conflicted with many theories and a deep 
questionable genealogy.  It might be better for you to find a theory that 
already matches your own more or less and then show how your views contribute 
to 
it, reinforce it, or remove some of its faults.  My guess is that you are more 
into a phenomenological approach or one that posits Imagination as a central 
concept.  I suggest Collingwood's Principles of Art.   Actually, your questions 
sound a lot like a school assignment.  Is that true?  If so, I have to wonder 
why any teacher would ask students to compose their own aesthetic theories 
without examining other theories or even one theory in depth.   That's like 
asking students to invent their own psychoanalysis without bothering to examine 
the' literature '  The teacher gets a F.  You get an A- for confronting 
something akin to the Russian Army in philosophy. Are you in Canada?  (For 
spelling judgments as judgements). 

WC

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