My point was that the free-reigning economics of the marketplace or the 
dictatorial economics of the state produce the same human misery without 
reasonable and pragmatic built-in change or accommodations.  Even today the 
Chinese seem to be dictatorial in spite of their so-called free-market 
experimentation.  They allow people a free length of rope for a while and then 
yank it in arbitrarily.  It's  the arbitrary crackdowns that scare the hell out 
of the populace and keep it under the boot heel, unfree.  This will ultimately 
ruin the Chinese  brand of communist society because people need to feel free 
even if they willingly submit to power.   But arbitrary and brutal unexplained 
repression is the tried and true methodology of totalitarian states.  However, 
so-called open markets, free-commerce and trade, etc., is what the U.S.A. 
accidentally had for a few years after the Revolution --- until the smart 
leaders could see it tilting toward anarchistic self-interest.  It is to George 
Washington's great credit that he worked for the establishment of a strong 
Federal Government, at least to offset the natural tendency for a free economy 
to become a despotic rule of selfish greed and concentrated wealth, such as 
Debord rails against. Supposedly, that's the secret of the American 
contradictory government, balancing self-interest against the common good (or, 
as the post-revolutionary leaders saw it, virtue).  Is Dubord really correct or 
is he only reading one side of the page?  Most people are well aware of the 
ironic nature of late capitalist commerce and commmodification.  That's why 
consumers are really very fickle.  They can drop a commodity icon on a whim, 
and 
do.  People in our culture  are still in charge of their society.
wc
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Now that I think of it, they believed that the austerity of their military
way of life helped to keep materialism in check.

By the way, the Spartans weren't the only ones aware of the danger of
allowing commerce to dominate society:

- The state should take the entire management of commerce, industry and
agriculture into its own hands, with a view to succoring the working
classes and preventing them from being ground into the dust by the rich.

Wang An-Shih (Chinese political reformer;1021-1086)

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