as many authors will tell you - they do not always recognize their actual program till much latter - in that the work often moves beyond them - at best we can recognize that some authors have an ability to produce works that stimulate more thought than other authors -
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:19 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think this is a problem,considering how thoroughly the author > loses control over the work once it has left. Viz Berg. You could try > to reduce the work to purely the creative initiative of its author but > there is a lot of stuff surrounding the work which is under no one's > control. One of the problems with Berg -or quasi Berg,since it is > unlikely that Berg really thinks of himself as making the work-is that > he can't get all the attention of all the possible readers so he is > not able to "create" the work. Similarly I don't think all the > attention and distractions can be filtered away from the work in order > to discern its author's initiative. > > -----Original Message----- > From: saul ostrow <[email protected]> > To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: "The problem with Hegelb s aesthetics is the assumption > that the truth of a work of art emerges completely via its conceptual > articulation. The assumption is that the truth is already there when I > interpret a literary text for example. All I have > > I do not think we should reduce the work of art to the individual > creative > initiative of its author either - the key word I think is the idea of > revealing the text - which implies that the text is concealed within > what > the author does > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Berg wrote:This >> >> means that my role as >> >>> interpreter is just to read what is >>> >>> supposedly latent in the text, not to >> >> reveal things about the text via my >>> >>> individual creative initiative." >> >> I think Berg has the current romanticized view of the importance of >> the"individual creative initiative",that the individual impulse >> necessarily adds value to the work,that the text lies inert and frozen >> until many other creative initiatives have explained it. In Berg's >> > view > >> these additional initiatives seem to be more important than the >> author or the author's intent. The work is not truly created until >> Berg has read it and explained it to others,using his own words and >> making his opinions the reason for the work. That the author is >> unaware of Berg's involvement or that the readers don't want to hear >> from Berg is not important,given that the work doesn't exist until >> > Berg > >> has acted. >> Kate Sullivan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: saul ostrow <[email protected]> >> To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:56 am >> Subject: Re: "The problem with Hegelb s aesthetics is the assumption >> that the truth of a work of art emerges completely via its conceptual >> articulation. The assumption is that the truth is already there when I >> interpret a literary text for example. All I have >> >> In actuality to reveal (make visible) and to interpret (to enter into >> > ) > >> mediations that are present in the text(image) means your role is >> > reveal > >> things about the text via your individual creative initiative because >> the >> text needs to be revealed (exposed) - Hegel's point is that its not >> about >> you its about the work of art >> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:57 AM, joseph berg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> "The problem with Hegel s aesthetics is the assumption that the truth >> >>> >>> of a >> >> work of art emerges completely via its conceptual articulation. The >>> assumption is that the >>> truth is already there when I interpret a literary text for example. >>> >>> All I >> >> have to do is reveal the mediations that are present in the text. >>> >> This > >> means that my role as >>> interpreter is just to read what is supposedly latent in the text, >>> >>> not to >> >> reveal things about the text via my individual creative initiative." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://etd.nd.edu/ETD-db/****theses/available/etd-04152011-****<http://etd.nd.edu/ETD-db/**theses/available/etd-04152011-**> >>> >> >> 090903/unrestricted/Mi<http://**etd.nd.edu/ETD-db/theses/** > available/etd-0415 <http://etd.nd.edu/ETD-db/theses/available/etd-0415> > 2011-090903/unrestricted/Mi> > > >> llerJM092011D.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> S a u l O s t r o w >> >> *Critical Voices* >> >> 21STREETPROJECTS >> La Table Ronde >> 162 West 21 Street >> NYC, NY 10011 >> >> [email protected] >> www.21stprojects.org >> >> >> > > -- > S a u l O s t r o w > > *Critical Voices* > 21STREETPROJECTS > La Table Ronde > 162 West 21 Street > NYC, NY 10011 > > [email protected] > www.21stprojects.org > > -- S a u l O s t r o w *Critical Voices* 21STREETPROJECTS La Table Ronde 162 West 21 Street NYC, NY 10011 [email protected] www.21stprojects.org
