I'm certainly not qualified to argue the legal merits of the case, but it seems to me (as an observer who in reality knows nothing about it), that they wouldn't be able to show any significant damages from the things that actually seem to have merit... so they through all the other stuff in there.
They could maybe get in trouble with the FCC, but until that happens, it's kind of hard to argue that it's harmed them. And if they argue that their sales were hurt by copyright violations (or whatever it is they're trying to say), I would think that's going to be tough to prove... Cambium could even argue that their customer started buying UBNT CPE because they're cheaper than the Cambium equivalent. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:54 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote: > I guess when reading this, the thing that strikes me the most is how > inflated and exaggerative the language is. Typically it seems in legal > documents that overly exaggerative claims are done so for publicity. The > language in this filing seems to read more like National Enquirer and less > like an FCC findings summary. I would expect this to be less outlandish if > they really felt they had a strong case. Claiming a multi-party hacking > conspiracy (which is really what the complaint is claiming from what I can > discern) is going to be really tough to make stick. Claiming Cambium > caused harm to their business due to copyright violation would be a much > better approach I would think. But they seem to have taken the National > Enquirer approach, usually when you hear those kinds of things, they don’t > go anywhere. It will be interesting to see what happens. > > > > As far as the FCC violation goes, they were more careful in their > wording. To my understanding, they basically said that hacking the > firmware gives someone the ability to violate FCC limits and doesn’t imply > that they can prove anyone actually did. > > > > Could be they felt that they were compelled to file this case whether they > feel they can win or not….. > > > > Smarter folks than me will sort it all out…. 😊 > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium > > > > They named a forum user as a defendant... > > > > " 126. In a post dated December 25, 2017, Defendant Dmitry—noted as an > “occasional contributor”—posted on a message board instructing a user on > how to use ePMP with Ubiquiti power supplies" > > > > This whole thing feels like a big joke. Do we not own the hardware we're > purchasing? > > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yeah, so they aren't actually suing the WISP because they were using it, > they're suing them because they're saying they helped market it. > > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:27 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Case study\testimonial. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *ja...@remotelylocated.com > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium > > How does UBNT know that the WISP in question is actually using the > product? Did they gain access to the carriers network to verify? With out > them knowing? Other than that it is all hearsay. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > A juror who was an existing Cambium or UBNT customer might have a > pre-existing bias and ought to be removed. > .....not that I know anything about it. Not really my department. > > On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > > > the jury isn't going to have a clue what you're talking about. in fact, > they're not going to understand most of the techno babble. > > unless they manage to land a juror who has run cambium or ubnt gear, that > is going to be irrelevant... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium > > > > So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could see this > coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced a bunch > of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip failure. Old electronics that > fail not because of exposure to discharges or stuff like that. Just too > cheap run too hot... > > On 08/10/2018 08:00 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > I imagine the reason it didn't happen sooner, is because of the fact > > that it makes Ubiquiti look really bad (especially the part about suing > > a WISP... ). Also, they were probably trying to come up with an argument > > that would hold up. > > > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Jason McKemie > > <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > > <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>> wrote: > > > > I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. The whole elevate thing was > > asking for it. > > > > On Friday, August 10, 2018, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net > > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net <af...@ics-il.net>>> wrote: > > > > https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751 > > > > Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks. > > > > > https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware > > > > I'd like to see more of the claims. > > > > They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and Dmitry Moiseev of Cambium. > > They've sued WINNCOM TECHNOLOGIES, CORP.. > > > > They've sued BLIP Networks, a WISP in southern Illinois. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > < > https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%3E%3Chttps:/plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb%3E%3Chttps:/www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions%3E%3Chttps:/twitter.com/ICSIL> > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > < > https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix%3E%3Chttps:/www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange%3E%3Chttps:/twitter.com/mdwestix> > > > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <AF@af.afmug.com>> > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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