The government preempts license agreements. The government has already said you can change your firmware as long as it doesn't operate outside of regulations (I forget the wording, but I've already linked to it).
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:23:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium Looked like a strong case to me. Especially since you have to agree to the license agreement before you can do anything. That being said, I don't think you have to agree to a license agreement to load firmware in recovery mode. But recovery mode wasn't mentioned anywhere in the document that I saw. I think I read someone else comment that "user agreements" aren't really being enforced in a court of law - almost like non-competes. I don't know.....but if the are, yah, technically anyone who has done this could be in trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Coudron To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium I guess when reading this, the thing that strikes me the most is how inflated and exaggerative the language is. Typically it seems in legal documents that overly exaggerative claims are done so for publicity. The language in this filing seems to read more like National Enquirer and less like an FCC findings summary. I would expect this to be less outlandish if they really felt they had a strong case. Claiming a multi-party hacking conspiracy (which is really what the complaint is claiming from what I can discern) is going to be really tough to make stick. Claiming Cambium caused harm to their business due to copyright violation would be a much better approach I would think. But they seem to have taken the National Enquirer approach, usually when you hear those kinds of things, they don’t go anywhere. It will be interesting to see what happens. As far as the FCC violation goes, they were more careful in their wording. To my understanding, they basically said that hacking the firmware gives someone the ability to violate FCC limits and doesn’t imply that they can prove anyone actually did. Could be they felt that they were compelled to file this case whether they feel they can win or not….. Smarter folks than me will sort it all out…. 😊 Regards, David Coudron From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium They named a forum user as a defendant... " 126. In a post dated December 25, 2017, Defendant Dmitry—noted as an “occasional contributor”—posted on a message board instructing a user on how to use ePMP with Ubiquiti power supplies" This whole thing feels like a big joke. Do we not own the hardware we're purchasing? On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Mathew Howard < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Yeah, so they aren't actually suing the WISP because they were using it, they're suing them because they're saying they helped market it. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:27 PM Mike Hammett < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Case study\testimonial. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: [email protected] To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium How does UBNT know that the WISP in question is actually using the product? Did they gain access to the carriers network to verify? With out them knowing? Other than that it is all hearsay. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Adam Moffett < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> A juror who was an existing Cambium or UBNT customer might have a pre-existing bias and ought to be removed. .....not that I know anything about it. Not really my department. On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: <blockquote> the jury isn't going to have a clue what you're talking about. in fact, they're not going to understand most of the techno babble. unless they manage to land a juror who has run cambium or ubnt gear, that is going to be irrelevant... <blockquote> ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Andrews To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could see this coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced a bunch of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip failure. Old electronics that fail not because of exposure to discharges or stuff like that. Just too cheap run too hot... On 08/10/2018 08:00 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > I imagine the reason it didn't happen sooner, is because of the fact > that it makes Ubiquiti look really bad (especially the part about suing > a WISP... ). Also, they were probably trying to come up with an argument > that would hold up. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Jason McKemie > < [email protected] > < mailto:[email protected] >> wrote: > > I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. 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