true. i used a poor choice of words ;)
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From: [email protected]
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
Infringed yes.
Damaged? How?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
patents and intellectual property can't be damaged?
oh, i strongly disagree.
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From: Mathew Howard
To: AFMUG
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
I'm certainly not qualified to argue the legal merits of the case, but it
seems to me (as an observer who in reality knows nothing about it), that they
wouldn't be able to show any significant damages from the things that actually
seem to have merit... so they through all the other stuff in there.
They could maybe get in trouble with the FCC, but until that happens, it's
kind of hard to argue that it's harmed them. And if they argue that their sales
were hurt by copyright violations (or whatever it is they're trying to say), I
would think that's going to be tough to prove... Cambium could even argue that
their customer started buying UBNT CPE because they're cheaper than the Cambium
equivalent.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:54 PM David Coudron
<[email protected]> wrote:
I guess when reading this, the thing that strikes me the most is how
inflated and exaggerative the language is. Typically it seems in legal
documents that overly exaggerative claims are done so for publicity. The
language in this filing seems to read more like National Enquirer and less like
an FCC findings summary. I would expect this to be less outlandish if they
really felt they had a strong case. Claiming a multi-party hacking conspiracy
(which is really what the complaint is claiming from what I can discern) is
going to be really tough to make stick. Claiming Cambium caused harm to their
business due to copyright violation would be a much better approach I would
think. But they seem to have taken the National Enquirer approach, usually
when you hear those kinds of things, they don’t go anywhere. It will be
interesting to see what happens.
As far as the FCC violation goes, they were more careful in their
wording. To my understanding, they basically said that hacking the firmware
gives someone the ability to violate FCC limits and doesn’t imply that they can
prove anyone actually did.
Could be they felt that they were compelled to file this case whether
they feel they can win or not…..
Smarter folks than me will sort it all out…. 😊
Regards,
David Coudron
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
They named a forum user as a defendant...
" 126. In a post dated December 25, 2017, Defendant Dmitry—noted as an
“occasional contributor”—posted on a message board instructing a user on how to
use ePMP with Ubiquiti power supplies"
This whole thing feels like a big joke. Do we not own the hardware we're
purchasing?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
wrote:
Yeah, so they aren't actually suing the WISP because they were using
it, they're suing them because they're saying they helped market it.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:27 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
Case study\testimonial.
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From: [email protected]
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 12:24:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
How does UBNT know that the WISP in question is actually using the
product? Did they gain access to the carriers network to verify? With out them
knowing? Other than that it is all hearsay.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
wrote:
A juror who was an existing Cambium or UBNT customer might have a
pre-existing bias and ought to be removed.
.....not that I know anything about it. Not really my department.
On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
the jury isn't going to have a clue what you're talking about.
in fact, they're not going to understand most of the techno babble.
unless they manage to land a juror who has run cambium or ubnt
gear, that is going to be irrelevant...
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Andrews
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
So much for being the winner by disruption... Yeah, you could
see this
coming. Dear Robert has a lot of expenses... I just replaced
a bunch
of legacy ubnt because of flat out chip failure. Old
electronics that
fail not because of exposure to discharges or stuff like that.
Just too
cheap run too hot...
On 08/10/2018 08:00 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> I imagine the reason it didn't happen sooner, is because of
the fact
> that it makes Ubiquiti look really bad (especially the part
about suing
> a WISP... ). Also, they were probably trying to come up with
an argument
> that would hold up.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:55 AM Jason McKemie
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. The whole
elevate thing was
> asking for it.
>
> On Friday, August 10, 2018, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1660546944070751
>
> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. sues Cambium Networks.
>
>
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware
>
> I'd like to see more of the claims.
>
> They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and Dmitry Moiseev of
Cambium.
> They've sued WINNCOM TECHNOLOGIES, CORP..
>
> They've sued BLIP Networks, a WISP in southern
Illinois.
>
>
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