It survived a reboot with one more minor change, and a little bird told me that it was possible on v11 as well. I wonder, if I show you all how to do it simply with a JTAG if I'd get a lawsuit. I would bet you money that the lawsuit would hit very swiftly. Perhaps I am wrong. Cambium, do you mind if someone sends these WISPs down the rabbit hole, or is this a one-sided argument? Does your license agreement allow me to reverse engineer Cambium radios, as a WISP, and then show my fellow colleagues how I can do it?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 6:39 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'd agree with most of this, however I do think their decision to go after > a WISP was a mistake. > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Read the licensing agreement on both provider's radios. You will find >> that UBNT we're well within their right to sue, and I am honestly surprised >> that it did not happen sooner. The attitude of 'I own it, and can do what >> I want with it', doesn't hold up according to both of their licensing >> agreements. >> >> You may recall when vendors and customers were changing a couple of >> hexadecimal digits in order to turn Canopy SMs into APs. As I recall, this >> went on for a long time, and only stopped because Cambium sent their >> lawyers after everyone involved. >> >> This issue is pretty cut and dry, and UBNT are well within their rights >> on this, and will almost certainly prevail in this lawsuit. >> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 5:34 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >>> Chuck, >>> >>> Thank you for your response and thank you for the board looking into the >>> matter. Yes an ultimatum is an extreme position but I didn't start this, >>> Ubiquiti did. >>> >>> This is an extremely serious matter for all the members so i decided to >>> scream loudly and publicly, i'm not a politician, just a business owner >>> that sees our industry under attack. We are a *service provider >>> association*, not a *vendor association* and we are nice enough to let >>> vendors into our group and give them access to our members. I know they >>> also supply some much needed funding for WISPA, but it's a two way street >>> and the association should be *EXTREMELY concerned when a vendor sues >>> it's own customer*. Yes it will be tried in a court of law but that >>> doesn't mean WISPA can't also take action. >>> >>> I'm not trying to cause a division, ubiquiti is at fault for that. I'm >>> just raising alarm bells that they are attacking us, their customers. >>> >>> I look forward to the board's response. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Chuck Hogg < >>> ch...@allpointsbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sean, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When I joined WISPA, it was for many of the same reasons you joined. I >>>> loved the community, wanted to be a part of it, and wanted to ensure that >>>> everyone in the WISP industry is given a fair shake. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate you raising this issue, although I wish you would have >>>> called me or another WISPA board member before giving WISPA an ultimatum on >>>> the members’ listserv. I’m concerned that your approach stokes division and >>>> argument, rather than unity. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Like you, I'm sad that these WISPA members have been unable to work out >>>> the issues between them and have resorted to duking it out in court. I hate >>>> to see little guys get caught up in this mess. But as others have said, we >>>> have no idea at this time whether the allegations are true or false. >>>> They're just allegations at this point. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nonetheless, these are serious issues, and you've asked the board to >>>> act. We will of course consider your request, meaning we will gather what >>>> information we can and determine whether and when we can make an informed >>>> and meaningful decision. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please feel free to reach out to us directly as this case continues to >>>> unfold. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:46 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> An Open Letter to WISPA, the Board of Directors and all WISPA members. >>>>> >>>>> Our industry and indeed WISPA itself if founded on the bedrock of >>>>> helping one another to further our industry and our businesses. This >>>>> group >>>>> is a dedicated, committed group of IT cowboys that try their hardest to >>>>> get >>>>> things done and move forward. When one of our members suffers or has >>>>> difficulty, we are all there to stand with them and provide whatever help >>>>> necessary. When disaster strikes we jump in and help as in the case of >>>>> several hurricanes and bad storms over the years. We also actively strive >>>>> to help each other solve difficult problems whether it be configuring a >>>>> server, securing financing, finding the best hardware solution to solve a >>>>> problem or any other myriad of issues our businesses face the members of >>>>> WISPA are there to help! I joined WISPA because I felt it was a great >>>>> thing for me and my business and I want to support WISPA anyway I can, >>>>> however our membership is being attacked from within and I call on the >>>>> board to take corrective action immediately and forcefully! >>>>> >>>>> Ubiquiti Networks has recently sued Cambium as well as Blip Networks >>>>> (a fellow WISP), Winncom Technologies (a WISPA vendor), Sakid Ahmed >>>>> (Cambium VP of engineering) and Dmitry Moiseev (project engineer at >>>>> Cambium) over Cambiums “Elevate technology”. I’ve attached the legal >>>>> complaint so you can read all the details yourself. Basically the group >>>>> is >>>>> accused of “hacking” ubiquiti equipment by loading a different operating >>>>> system and user interface on Ubiquiti subscriber radios so that they >>>>> interoperate with Cambium ePMP access points. This is no different than >>>>> someone loading windows on a Mac, or vise versa someone building a >>>>> Hackintosh out of PC parts and loading MacOS on it. Or more to the point >>>>> someone loading DD-WART on a linksys WiFi router. However, regardless of >>>>> the merits of the complaint, what Ubiquiti is doing is a clear violation >>>>> of >>>>> everything that WISPA stands for! >>>>> >>>>> I’ve also attached the WISPA mission statement, Goals, Code of ethics, >>>>> and Article 8 of the By Laws. Ubiquiti is in clear violation of all these >>>>> sections and *I hear by call on the board to terminate Ubiquiti’s >>>>> membership in WISPA. A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND!* We must get rid >>>>> of any bad actors amongst us so that we can continue to accomplish >>>>> everything WISPA stands for. >>>>> >>>>> *IT IS EXTREMELY UNNERVING TO SEE UBIQUITI SUE ONE OF OUR FELLOW >>>>> WISPS.* What kind of business actively sues it's own customers? Who >>>>> will be next? Our businesses are too small to be forced to defend >>>>> ourselves from this bad actor in our organization. I fear that any one of >>>>> us could be next on the chopping block and i’ve invested way too much >>>>> time, >>>>> energy, sweat blood and tears to see my business or a fellow WISP attached >>>>> by a wall street company with deep pockets that can sue us out of >>>>> existence. >>>>> >>>>> I hope the rest of the membership will join in signing this letter and >>>>> that the board will remove Ubiquiti from our organization and send a >>>>> message that we will not put up with this kind of business ethics. If the >>>>> board is unwilling to remove Ubiquiti then I will be forced to remove >>>>> myself and my company from WISPA because this is not what we stand for. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> VERY DISGUSTED, >>>>> >>>>> Sean Heskett >>>>> >>>>> ZIRKEL Wireless >>>>> High-Speed Internet for NW Colorado >>>>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office >>>>> 970-846-8065 - mobile >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ******************************************************************************************************* >>>>> >>>>> MISSION AND GOALS >>>>> http://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Mission-and-Goals >>>>> >>>>> MISSION STATEMENT: >>>>> >>>>> WISPA works to promote the development, advancement and unification of >>>>> the wireless Internet service provider industry. >>>>> >>>>> WISPA GOALS: >>>>> >>>>> • Encourage Congress and the FCC to write laws that support the >>>>> survival and success of community-based wireless Internet service >>>>> providers >>>>> (WISPs). >>>>> • Provide online technical forums that enable and encourage the >>>>> sharing and exchange of information between all the members of the WISP >>>>> community. >>>>> • Demystify government rules and regulations. >>>>> • Publicize, promote, demonstrate and maintain a Code of Ethical >>>>> Business Practices. >>>>> • Promote and support industry-wide communication, coordination and >>>>> cooperation between local WISP organizations, national WISP organizations, >>>>> community wireless organizations and wireless industry vendors. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ******************************************************************************************************* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> CODE OF ETHICS >>>>> https://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Policies/Code-of-Ethics >>>>> ARTICLE III >>>>> >>>>> We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the >>>>> dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and >>>>> promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor. >>>>> >>>>> ARTICLE V >>>>> >>>>> In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the >>>>> Association have further pledged to: >>>>> >>>>> • Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or otherwise >>>>> to either another member of the Association or to any client or >>>>> prospective >>>>> client. >>>>> • Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving >>>>> due respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others. >>>>> • Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties. >>>>> • Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall >>>>> act promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are >>>>> responsible. >>>>> • Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks >>>>> are restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the >>>>> tenets of reasonable precaution. >>>>> • Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or >>>>> prospective clients. >>>>> • Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association >>>>> and participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with >>>>> respect to that complaint. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ******************************************************************************************************* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By Laws >>>>> http://www.wispa.org/About-Us/Policies/Bylaws >>>>> >>>>> By Laws Article 8 >>>>> >>>>> 8.6. Termination of Membership. A Member’s Membership will >>>>> terminate upon the occurrence of any of the following events: >>>>> >>>>> 8.6.1. The Member provides written notice to the Board that >>>>> the Member is resigning from WISPA; >>>>> >>>>> 8.6.2. The Member dissolves or ceases to transact the business >>>>> that qualified the Member for WISPA Membership; >>>>> >>>>> 8.6.3. The Member’s Membership expires, unless the Membership >>>>> is renewed on terms fixed by the Board; >>>>> >>>>> 8.6.4. The Member fails to pay dues, fees or assessments >>>>> within ten (10) days after they become due and payable pursuant to the >>>>> decision of the Board; or >>>>> >>>>> 8.6.5. The Board terminates the Member’s Membership. >>>>> >>>>> 8.7. The Board may terminate the Member’s Membership if the >>>>> Board finds that a Member has materially breached these Amended Bylaws or >>>>> any rule of conduct applicable to WISPA Membership or has otherwise >>>>> engaged >>>>> in conduct materially prejudicial to the purposes and interests of WISPA. >>>>> The Board will abide by the following procedures to terminate a Member: >>>>> >>>>> 8.7.1. The Secretary will give the Member a notice specifying >>>>> the Board’s intent to terminate the Member’s Membership fifteen (15) days >>>>> prior to the proposed date of termination. The notice will explain the >>>>> reasons for the proposed termination. >>>>> >>>>> 8.7.2. The Member may respond to the notice within ten (10) >>>>> days after the notice is sent. The Member’s response will be in writing or >>>>> at a meeting of the Board, as the Board may determine. >>>>> >>>>> 8.7.3. 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