What we can't have our cake and eat it too?

On 11/01/2018 08:32 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
We should fix that pesky subject line...


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On 11/1/2018 7:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Are we off topic yet?
*From:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 8:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS
But not lamb.
*From:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 8:50 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS
I like fruit cake and mincemeat pie too.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 8:17 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS

Lima beans bad.

Vienna sausage good.

Spam good on camping trips, not so much otherwise.

Liver bad.

Rice pudding good.

Bacon good.

bp
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On 11/1/2018 6:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Lima beans, pickled beets, vienna sausages, spam. Love lots of things my kids and grand kids think are non-foods.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:51 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS

Sounds good, just hold the brussels sprouts and give me the bacon.

But then I like lima beans, while most of the world does not.

I blame the President for all this hate speech. Referring of course to President George H. W. Bush who hated broccoli. Article says a kid wrote him trying unsuccessfully to persuade him to love broccoli.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politics/george-h-w-bush-broccoli-twitter/index.html

*From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:50 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS

I LOVE barbecued Brussels sprouts. Especially when there are bits of bacon sprinkled over them.

bp
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On 10/31/2018 1:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:

    I probably am too in some sense.  I don’t want you picketing my
    house with bullhorns because I choose to eat Brussels sprouts
    thereby harming the asparagus league.  Scares my kids.  Hate
    speech if you ask me...

    *From:*Mark Radabaugh

    *Sent:*Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:59 PM

    *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS

    I’m not a huge fan of muni broadband for some of the reasons you
    cite.   I was just amazed that he is all for free speech when it
    meets his goals and then completely against it another circumstance.

    Mark



        On Oct 31, 2018, at 3:53 PM, [email protected] wrote:

        I actually agreed with the muni wireless and free speech
        issue.  He cited exact language in the AUPs. Hate speech is
        hard to define and muni’s should not have that in their AUPs
        in my opinion.  I also liked that he didn’t think munis
        should be able to compete with private sector.

        I am only a socialist when it serves my purposes, at all
        other times I am a libertarian...

        *From:*Mark Radabaugh

        *Sent:*Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:49 PM

        *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS

        Oh, it’s even better.

        In the same speech where he was railing against municipal
        broadband on free speech grounds he was also busy bragging
        about how tough the FCC is being on those dastardly free
        speech pirate radio stations. Because, you know, pirate radio
        is obviously the lowest of the scofflaws. How dare someone
        use a FM transmitter without a license! The FCC has managed
        to take a whole slew of incredibly dangerous pastors
        broadcasting sermons off the air.

        Mark



            On Oct 31, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
            wrote:

            True. The Pai FCC and the Trump Administration in general
            seems dedicated to leaving a legacy that can’t easily be
            undone. Like selling spectrum, or appointing Supreme
            Court Justices. They probably see Wheeler as a fool whose
            accomplishments could be undone with the stroke of a pen,
            and Obama much the same.  I’m not being political, and I
            guess you have to give them credit for understanding how
            the game is played.  If you want a legacy that lasts
            longer than the next election, you have to build it with
            bricks not straw.

            BTW, did you see where O’Rielly argued that muni
            broadband, promoted by the evil Wheeler, presented a
            “particularly ominous threat to the First Amendment”,
            citing TOS language against hate speech and threats.

            https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-354770A1.pdf

            
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bj49j8/fcc-falsely-claims-community-broadband-an-ominous-threat-to-the-first-amendment

            *From:*AF <[email protected]>*On Behalf Of*Mark
            Radabaugh
            *Sent:*Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:47 PM
            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS

            Michael O’Rielly absolutely positively thinks it’s a
            fantastic idea.

            The really scary part is that he thinks it’s better for
            private industry to own it, since he can’t trust future
            FCC commissioners. He’s that guy that won’t date a girl
            that would go out with a guy like him.

            Mark




                On Oct 31, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Joe Novak
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                " On the other hand, they get rewarded for carrying
                spectrum as an asset on their balance sheet."

                This is the most disgusting thing about the American
                auctioning system right now.

                Who in their right minds thought it was a good idea
                to just auction a finite resource to the highest
                bidder? Why isn't a use it or lose it system
                enforced, or at the very least a system like we will
                see in CBRS? It all seems like such a sham that gets
                propped up continuously.

                On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 10:42 AM Ken Hohhof
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                    It’s going to be interesting, I wonder why the
                    carriers would pay anywhere near the kind of
                    money for CBRS spectrum that they are used to for
                    low and mid band spectrum, when they can use it
                    for free as GAA. Similar to 5 GHz.  No cost, and
                    opportunistic use for carrier aggregation.

                    On the other hand, they get rewarded for carrying
                    spectrum as an asset on their balance sheet.

                    I’m thinking of a scenario where the auction sets
                    too high a minimum bid, and they get zero bids.
                    Even 10 cents per MHz-POP might be too high, if
                    it can be used as GAA at no cost.  As long as
                    they have an anchor channel in other spectrum,
                    CBRS is like icing on the cake, nice but not
                    mission critical, and possibly not worth paying
                    much money to “own”.

                    *From:*AF <[email protected]>*On Behalf Of*Dave
                    *Sent:*Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:13 AM
                    *To:*[email protected]
                    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Mobile in CBRS

                    That makes it easier for the carriers to stomp
                    out the little GAA guys :)

                    On 10/31/18 9:50 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

                        I think it's more likely that they will have
                        a licensed anchor channel and only aggregate
                        3.65 in the downlink, using different
                        frequencies for uplink. Carrier aggregation
                        is a whole different game of spectrum usage.

                        On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett
                        <[email protected]> wrote:

                            One thing that was unfortunate about the
                            NN license was that mobile
                            stations had a stupid low Tx power limit.
                            Basically mobile wasn't viable.

                            Is CBRS going to have that type of
                            restriction?


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