Or use a tower ground return and use both of your wires bonded together. Not a 
preferred solution. 120 ac is better.

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> On Nov 28, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 6x450i=120W
> 4x450m=320W.
> 
> 440W.
> Round up to 10A@48VDC.
> 
> 10A will drop 25V over that distance on 14GA wire, so.  Not doable with your 
> existing wire.   Even 10AWG is borderline.
> 
> You're either going to have to run multiple wires, or run AC power up to the 
> top.   
> 
> I'd probably just put a din rail 10A 48DC power supply up at the top.   Or 
> something like a Meanwell HEP-480-48 which might be safer as far as 'bare 
> wire hazard' goes.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 7:51 AM Tyson Burris <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hey Forrest,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Can I hijack this and get some questions answered?
>> 
>> I would like to put four 450M’s on an existing site we have.
>> 
>> 500 ft up with 14 Guage DC and fiber running up it to a NEMA.
>> 
>> We currently push 48Volt supporting existing 450i gear that will stay up.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My space at the top is limited. I will have to use your small Sync Injector 
>> PRO to power the new 450Ms.
>> 
>> Can you recommend a power supply for the bottom to push DC up?
>> 
>> I have some concerns with the current wire guage supporting the new load 
>> plus the six existing 450i units that are staying.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thoughts? Ideas?
>> 
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>> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
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>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 12:29 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar Array Voc
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>> Let me see if I can re-phrase my question:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm redesigning a voltage input circuit for one of the sitemonitor products 
>> - this is for voltage metering, not for powering the device.   One of the 
>> common questions I get asked is 'can I monitor my solar array voltage'.  
>> Currently the answer is usually 'probably not, unless you are certain the 
>> Voc is below 60V, and that one side of the array is already grounded to 
>> common (often isn't for mppt controllers)'.   I'd rather be able to say 
>> something like 'sure, as long as the Voc isn't over X volts', where X is 
>> high enough that it contains a reasonable subset of the arrays out there.   
>> I don't think supporting 150V arrays is in the cards (and yes, I know the 
>> tristar MMPT goes up to 150V), since that starts getting in the range where 
>> clearances get hard to do on the circuit board.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So I guess the question should be:   What voltage would be able to measure 
>> most of the array voltages out there?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:07 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Morningstar makes one of the better charge controllers and the one that 
>> I like has ethernet access built in.   It takes up to 150 V from the 
>> arrays.    They also have their new Mega Controller that will do up to 
>> 600 Volts I don't know of any WISPs that are using it.   We have sites 
>> that we have 2x Morningstars feeding our battery sets...
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 11/27/18 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> > Looking at determining the maximum reasonable voltage range for a new 
>> > product I'm working on.
>> > 
>> > I'm wanting to include a reasonable input for measuring solar panel 
>> > voltage (a common request).   For those who are running solar arrays to 
>> > charge a DC site (not grid-connected), I'm wondering what type of array 
>> > voltages you're running.   I'd prefer the Voc figure since that is worst 
>> > case, but even the nameplate voltage (i.e. multiples of 12V) would be 
>> > useful since I can kinda infer the Voc from that.
>> > 
>> > I suspect some of you are running rather high voltages (>100Voc) on your 
>> > arrays, not sure If I'm going to be able to measure that high, but would 
>> > like to get a feel for what the reality is.
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