Add deer recognition, computer controlled pan tilt rifle mount and auto tagging 
to the mix.  

I wonder of other deer come to check out a dead deer.  

If so, you could just let it run and maybe have a whole pile of deer to pick up 
at the end of the day.  

I am sure highly secure areas already have robo rifles.  Be fun to have even if 
they don’t shoot.
A rifle with a laser following you around.  

From: Dan 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:03 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-brings-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/


On 12/19/18 12:59 PM, [email protected] wrote:

  Or carry a rifle...

  From: Dan 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 1:52 PM
  To: [email protected] 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?

  Could try a adding a ridiculous phone lens: 
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_14?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=telephoto+lens+for+smartphone&sprefix=telephoto+lens%2Caps%2C380&crid=2SJCQOX85D6HM&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Atelephoto+lens+for+smartphone

  On 12/19/18 12:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:

    Yes, with a scope.  The issue was whether or not you could create a cell 
phone app using the camera.

    From: castarritt 
    Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:11 PM
    To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?

    I think you did your math assuming the obstruction was at the full distance 
of the link, rather than at the half-way point. 

    If the obstruction is at the half way point of a 2 mile link, and the 60% 
F1 radius at one mile distance is ~7.5', then 7.5' divided by 5.28' (1/1000th 
of a mile) gives us ~1.4 mrad.  Now look through a rifle scope with a mil based 
reticle, and you should be able to judge the clearance.

    On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM <[email protected]> wrote:

      You made me think a bit.
      Consider 11 GHz.  One 2 mile link and one 10 mile link.  
      15’
      34’ 
      I presume the online tool is calculating 60% of the first fresnel zone.

      So half that would be the opposite side of a right triangle.  
      arc tan of 7.5/10560 = .04 deg
      arc tan of 17/52800 =  .018 deg

      So double that for the diameter of the cone based on the distance and 
angle you have almost 1 full degree and a third of a degree.  Pretty small 
circles.  May as well call them a dot when viewing through the camera.  

      From: [email protected] 
      Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 10:12 AM
      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?

      I toyed around with this idea last night. I think the angle of view of 
most phones is too wide. Doing the rangefinder math for my iPhone 6s a 1 meter 
dish at 1 km would be less than 4 pixels across at full resolution (4032x3024). 
The 5.8 GHz fresnel radius would be 3.6 m or only 52 pixels. Of course, this 
would grow larger if calculated closer to the user—even as the fresnel zone 
shrank—but I don’t have the calculus chops to figure out the ideal size to 
indicate “this area should be clear no matter how far away”


      December 18, 2018 8:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:

        I guess you could run a calibration routine where you take a photo of 
some linear feature that exactly fills the frame and tell the phone how far 
away it is and how wide it is.
        From: Brian Webster 
        Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 10:09 PM
        To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?
        Right and since you know the frequency and total path distance, if you 
used a laser range finder to put the spot on an obstruction you would know that 
distance and could calculate the size of the zone at that obstruction distance. 
Might be able to do some Pythagorean math on the other side of an obstruction 
to determine the width of the “hole” through to see if it is wide enough for 
the zone clearance at that distance? This might be a bit too much for an app 
that would work on all phones but I wonder if it would be easier to make it 
work on an outboard camera with the known lenses and rangefinder configuration 
and just use the phone to run the calcs.

        Thank You,

        Brian Webster

        www.wirelessmapping.com

        www.Broadband-Mapping.com

        From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
        Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:40 PM
        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?

        I guess you could enter the distance of the link and the camera field 
of view. With that you could put some circles on the screen. 

        From: Jeremy 

        Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:13 PM

        To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?

        What about integrating it with one of these laser rangefinders that are 
fairly cheap now? The tech exists to make this product work, but I am not sure 
if there is a big enough market to justify the R&D.

        On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 6:12 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

          The challenge would be to know the distance to the obstructions. 

          From: Steve Jones 

          Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:06 PM

          To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

          Subject: [AFMUG] Fresnel scope?

          Anybody every toyed with making some kind of fresnel scope for 
installers? 

          Like a rangfinder with a red, orange, yellow, and green opaque 
overlay that you dial your freq and range and it adjusts the rings?

          Having been doing the installers job for almost a year and seeing the 
"gap in the trees" theyve been shooting through, explains alot of the 
performance issues.

          A phone app would be cool cause you could do a field of vision 
screenshot. But i dont know how that could be calculated with much accuracy 
given the differences in cameras 

          Would be really cool if the adjustable rings could be used to 
identify beneficial obstructions for mitigating destructive multipath.

          I cant see the concept being all that complicated, you would know the 
magnification, field of vision and distance from the eye. Making the circles 
adjust like miltiple irises would be a might bit complicated though.


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