I've seen a few used Force 200 radios come back from collection with a broken tab on the cover. Also, we've lost a number of Canopy radios over the years when rain got into them after the pole blew over or a customer/competitor left it laying on the ground, so I'm all for a bit more installation work to get the IP67 protection.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > It looks like the 450b uses pretty much the same dish as the ePMP Force > 200... I wonder why they went with that goofy gland and bolt on cover > instead of just doing a snap on cover like on the ePMP. > > I agree that the naming is stupid - they're doing the same thing with the > ePMP line now, with the Force 300-25 and Force 300-16 being the equivalent > of the Force 200 and Force 180. The old way was easier... > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:49 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My complaint is not about the integral dish, but the specific >> implementation of the cover and gland. The 450d was not a problem. The >> 450b mid gain is not a problem. Naming them both 450b was stupid though. >> >> >> >> BTW, note that it’s not really 25 dBi, didn’t they finally fess up and >> change the spec sheet to say 23 dBi? >> >> >> >> I also quibble with the characterization as “cheapo” and keeping costs >> down. Depending on which license key you were buying on the 450 SM, the >> cost ends up being about the same as the previous SM plus a reflector >> dish. Of course if you are replacing FSK or 430, you already have the >> dish, and now you have to remove and replace it rather than taking 2 >> minutes to pop in a new SM without even needing to realign. >> >> >> >> I’m waiting for the first time we have to replace a 450b high gain due to >> something like lightning damage. That would mean removing and replacing >> the radome, which BTW is almost impossible in cold weather, I have actually >> had to use a heat gun to warm them up so they are flexible enough to go >> on. So I assume now we end up replacing the whole dish assembly and >> realigning. Not much point trying to save the dish anyway since you have >> to buy the SM and dish together. >> >> >> >> The other goofy thing is how inconsistent Cambium is. Even the two >> variants of 450b are different, and the other frequencies (900, 2.4, 3.65) >> are totally different. And of course now when we replace a 450 AP the >> replacement is a 450i AP which requires 48V rather than 24V. There really >> seems to be no master plan, just flavor of the day. The only consistency >> seems to be carry a 13mm wrench and a 5mm hex key with you. Or an electric >> screwdriver with a 5mm hex bit, or your hands will get tired. My guys >> complain about how long the threads are on the screws for the hated cable >> cover. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:04 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b high gain cable gland & cover >> >> >> >> To a point I agree. Look at how much nicer a 25dbi dish is over a >> reflector+patch radio, though. It keeps costs down (since everyone's doing >> the cheapo 25dbi instead of trying to get by without a bare SM). Gain is >> good. >> >> >> >> Ubnt Nanostation copied the Canopy idea, mostly. They moved to dishes. >> Cambium had to "catch up" with the WISP world. >> >> >> >> My perspective may be different though - we almost never install bare >> Nanostations/Force 180/bare Canopy radios. We've always had to do >> reflectors/dishes. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:59 AM Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It drives me crazy that Cambium continually spends more time staring at >> what other companies have done and trying to copy them than looking >> internally at what made their own products the best in class. >> >> >> >> The original Canopy case design was damn near perfect - inverted cup that >> didn’t fill with water. Easy to remove and replace. Lots of mounting >> options. >> >> >> >> And now we have lots of little parts to drop. Reminds me of exactly >> what I hated about WiMax gear. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 21, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Brian Sullivan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I hate it too. Seems like they should have that design for ePMP and >> something nicer for 450. =) >> What would be nice is a door with a hinge, so there aren't multiple >> pieces you can drop and ruin your day. >> >> On 2/20/2019 9:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Does everyone hate the 450b high gain cover with the cable gland as much >> as we do? Not sure why they felt the need to do this on the high gain but >> not the mid gain. >> >> >> >> I wish somebody (Chuck?) would sell an aftermarket conversion kit to make >> it like the mid gain or the original Canopy SM. With a snap on cover, >> water kept out by gravity, and readily accessible alignment tool port. >> >> >> >> There are other mechanical things I hate about the product, like the >> screw in the back that you have to tighten ever so gingerly, and the 4 >> threaded inserts that seem to have manufacturing quality issues like >> getting covered over with plastic. Or the occasional feedtube that doesn't >> quite want to latch into place. Or how much work it is to convert them to >> mount on the left side of the pole. 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