Wow, did you get a certificate saying you flew the Concorde? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 2:45 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
Nope. I was returning from a business trip to London in August and you know how the lines can be at Heathrow because everyone in Europe goes on vacation at the same time. It took over 2 hours in the check-in line and I was too late to make the 747 flight I was booked on. So British Air put me and a handful of other passengers in empty seats on a Concorde flight to Dulles and then a connection to Chicago, where I arrived about the same time as my original direct flight. I felt like regular passengers were Mr. and Mrs. Howell wondering how Gilligan got on their flight. British Air was always my favorite airline, and as cool as the Concorde may have been, the 747 was the queen of the sky. Especially if the flight was half full. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 3:19 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc Curious, did you pay your own way on the Concorde? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 2:15 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc If everything keeps getting faster, why is passenger air travel slower than 25 years ago (I once flew on the Concorde)? Why are highway speed limits still 70 mph, why don’t we have flying cars and bullet trains? Speed isn’t the only or even the most important thing, what about price and battery life? Speed just seems to lend itself to marketing hype. Look at routers, the only way they know to market them is by speed rating, if you have a mere AC1750 router you need to buy this new AC5300 router, that number tells you everything you need to know to choose a router. Price and battery life are important too. I’m wondering how fast you’d run down the battery on your phone if you were actually downloading at 1 Gbps via 5G and the poor little CPU in your phone was actually processing all the data. The network really just has to be fast enough that you don’t have to worry about how fast it is. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc Just like Wimax, 70mbps and 70km right? People on Quora are constantly saying things to the effect that 5G will displace cable and fiber because it has gigabit speeds. You can tell them all day long that isn't going to happen, but they read it on Slashdot or Wired and that's apparently a better source than me. Oh well. -Adam On 3/7/2019 2:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: This is one of the big misunderstandings. 5G is actually an infrastructure spec that network operators care about, but they want to market it to customers like they will now be getting 5G service which will be tangibly better than 4G service. The customer maybe cares whether the phone they buy is compatible with their carrier’s infrastructure. Otherwise, 4G went from new and buggy to mainstream to enhanced with 256QAM, MIMO and carrier aggregation. Which of course 5G infrastructure will also have, but performance is on a continuum, it doesn’t take quantum leaps every 10 years. 5G is actually something that carriers want, but they try to sell it like something customers can feel and touch and will change their lives … as long as they buy a new $1000 phone. The other misunderstanding is 5G is often used to mean small cells and 24-80 GHz short range high capacity transmission. It remains to be seen where this is deployed and what caveats come with mmWave in the real world. But the small cell mmWave stuff is a whole other topic than the other enhancements going from 4G to 5G, but the marketing people like to lump them all together. It’s like we have cars that go 300 mph and get 50 mpg. Oh, not at the same time, not on the same roads, and in fact not the same cars, but we can conflate them in our advertising because we really want you to buy a new car. From: AF mailto:[email protected] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 1:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc "In 2018, 3GPP published Release 15, which include what is described as "Phase 1" standardization for the 5G NR standard. 3GPP is expected to publish Release 16, which include the "Phase 2" of 5G NR, by the end of year 2019.[5]" ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [email protected] To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:01:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc A draft standard. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 10:57 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc There is an actual 5G standard. http://www.3gpp.org/release-15 Now I certainly wouldn't go after someone for using the term 5G when not using 5G NR, but that doesn't mean someone else won't. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:[email protected] To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:07:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc This wouldn’t be for a 5-10 year thing, it would be a temporary thing for about a year. Not sure why it would be considered fraudulent Mike. Do you know something I don’t? We are wireless, we use sub 6GHz channels and mmwave 24-60GHz channels, isn’t that at least a major portion of the terminology of 5G currently? All we would need to do to fully cover the 5G concept is throw up some LTE AP, lol! From: AF mailto:[email protected] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:16 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc Plus the name won’t sound so cool in 5 or 10 years. Like Windows ME or Twentieth Century Fox. Or Boston Chicken or Dunkin Donuts. Or 1984. Or 2001 A Space Odyssey. Or Mystery Science Theater 3000. From: AF mailto:[email protected] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:[email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc It's disingenuous at best and fraudulent at worst. I wouldn't. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:[email protected] To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 7:50:53 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc So has anyone here using the term 5G in their company name or marketing? Would that be bad to do? Or would it be riding the ‘wave’ of marketing about to flood the cell phone market? 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