No certificate.
And honestly there wasn’t anything wonderful about the flight other than
you got there really quick. And the plane was really narrow and flew at
a very high altitude. And landed very hot, you thought OMG the pilot is
coming in way too fast and we’re going to go off the end of the runway
and die. For those too young to remember supersonic air travel, there
were only a few airports that allowed them because of the sonic booms.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *[email protected]
*Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 3:59 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
Wow, did you get a certificate saying you flew the Concorde?
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Thursday, March 7, 2019 2:45 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
Nope.
I was returning from a business trip to London in August and you know
how the lines can be at Heathrow because everyone in Europe goes on
vacation at the same time. It took over 2 hours in the check-in line
and I was too late to make the 747 flight I was booked on. So British
Air put me and a handful of other passengers in empty seats on a
Concorde flight to Dulles and then a connection to Chicago, where I
arrived about the same time as my original direct flight.
I felt like regular passengers were Mr. and Mrs. Howell wondering how
Gilligan got on their flight.
British Air was always my favorite airline, and as cool as the Concorde
may have been, the 747 was the queen of the sky. Especially if the
flight was half full.
*From:*AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> *On
Behalf Of *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 3:19 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
Curious, did you pay your own way on the Concorde?
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Thursday, March 7, 2019 2:15 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
If everything keeps getting faster, why is passenger air travel slower
than 25 years ago (I once flew on the Concorde)?
Why are highway speed limits still 70 mph, why don’t we have flying cars
and bullet trains?
Speed isn’t the only or even the most important thing, what about price
and battery life? Speed just seems to lend itself to marketing hype.
Look at routers, the only way they know to market them is by speed
rating, if you have a mere AC1750 router you need to buy this new AC5300
router, that number tells you everything you need to know to choose a
router.
Price and battery life are important too. I’m wondering how fast you’d
run down the battery on your phone if you were actually downloading at 1
Gbps via 5G and the poor little CPU in your phone was actually
processing all the data.
The network really just has to be fast enough that you don’t have to
worry about how fast it is.
*From:*AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> *On
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 2:17 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
Just like Wimax, 70mbps and 70km right?
People on Quora are constantly saying things to the effect that 5G will
displace cable and fiber because it has gigabit speeds. You can tell
them all day long that isn't going to happen, but they read it on
Slashdot or Wired and that's apparently a better source than me. Oh well.
-Adam
On 3/7/2019 2:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This is one of the big misunderstandings. 5G is actually an
infrastructure spec that network operators care about, but they want
to market it to customers like they will now be getting 5G service
which will be tangibly better than 4G service. The customer maybe
cares whether the phone they buy is compatible with their carrier’s
infrastructure. Otherwise, 4G went from new and buggy to mainstream
to enhanced with 256QAM, MIMO and carrier aggregation. Which of
course 5G infrastructure will also have, but performance is on a
continuum, it doesn’t take quantum leaps every 10 years. 5G is
actually something that carriers want, but they try to sell it like
something customers can feel and touch and will change their lives …
as long as they buy a new $1000 phone.
The other misunderstanding is 5G is often used to mean small cells
and 24-80 GHz short range high capacity transmission. It remains to
be seen where this is deployed and what caveats come with mmWave in
the real world. But the small cell mmWave stuff is a whole other
topic than the other enhancements going from 4G to 5G, but the
marketing people like to lump them all together. It’s like we have
cars that go 300 mph and get 50 mpg. Oh, not at the same time, not
on the same roads, and in fact not the same cars, but we can
conflate them in our advertising because we really want you to buy a
new car.
*From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 1:28 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
"In 2018, 3GPP published Release 15, which include what is described
as "Phase 1" standardization for the 5G NR standard. 3GPP is
expected to publish Release 16, which include the "Phase 2" of 5G
NR, by the end of year 2019.[5]"
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A draft standard.
*From:*Mike Hammett
*Sent:*Thursday, March 7, 2019 10:57 AM
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There is an actual 5G standard.
http://www.3gpp.org/release-15
Now I certainly wouldn't go after someone for using the term 5G when
not using 5G NR, but that doesn't mean someone else won't.
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*From: *"Sterling Jacobson" mailto:[email protected]
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected]
*Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:07:44 AM
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This wouldn’t be for a 5-10 year thing, it would be a temporary
thing for about a year.
Not sure why it would be considered fraudulent Mike. Do you know
something I don’t?
We are wireless, we use sub 6GHz channels and mmwave 24-60GHz
channels, isn’t that at least a major portion of the terminology of
5G currently?
All we would need to do to fully cover the 5G concept is throw up
some LTE AP, lol!
*From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:16 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
Plus the name won’t sound so cool in 5 or 10 years. Like Windows ME
or Twentieth Century Fox. Or Boston Chicken or Dunkin Donuts. Or
1984. Or 2001 A Space Odyssey. Or Mystery Science Theater 3000.
*From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:46 AM
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It's disingenuous at best and fraudulent at worst. I wouldn't.
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*From: *"Sterling Jacobson" mailto:[email protected]
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:[email protected]
*Sent: *Wednesday, March 6, 2019 7:50:53 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc
So has anyone here using the term 5G in their company name or marketing?
Would that be bad to do? Or would it be riding the ‘wave’ of
marketing about to flood the cell phone market?
Any drawbacks to using it now for marketing or part of a company
name etc?
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