and we are at it, @Matt Mangriotis
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for an extended life of the 450 platform:
-Asymmetric channel size configuration
-Asymmetric channel freq. configuration
-higher modulations (don’t know if HW is capable)
-fragmented channel assignment / CA Ex.= 40 mhz total split in 4 10mhz
blocks (don’t know if HW is capable)
-Omni Medusa and 60/30 deg Medusa
-Vivato type PTP certification for Medusa (higher TX power)
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
I think a 25 dBi antenna would be a standard customer install.
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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Sent: *Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:05:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
Yes....give us all the goddamn gain. There must be a vocal market
segment that wants small, cute antennas. But, If you want the 32+ SNR
for 256QAM then you need gain. Gain beets cuteness for anybody who's
done the math.
On 10/31/2019 10:02 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Matt,
The original form factor product would be fantastic. It would be
even better if you make it so the internal unit antenna is
specifically designed to properly illuminate a reflector dish.
The original patch antenna matching to a reflector was always
something of a kludge that worked but was not optimal. I don’t
see any point in designing the unit with a patch antenna intended
for short range use as there are other/better products in the
lineup to serve that purpose. Having a unit that is optimized
for the thousands of KP, Beehive, Cambium reflectors we have in
the field would be great.
Having a unit with connectors that cleanly mates into a twistport
horn adapter would also be a useful tool in the toolbox.
If there is anything that Cambium (and every other vendor) has
taught us over the years is that you can’t have too much gain and
directionality in your client antennas. it’s really the secret
to why fixed wireless in unlicensed works so well. The 450b high
gain that wasn’t high gain was disappointing. Having the option
to cleanly add antenna gain again would be very welcome.
Mark
On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Also, to set the record a straight(er)…
The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This
will indeed have RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900
MHz SM).
The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling
450b Retro. As Jeff mentions, I am still working up a plan for
this device, and don’t have a release date yet. The idea is
that it’ll have the latest processing power, the wide band
support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are already
out there, and be reasonably priced.
This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or
450 SMs that are deployed already with those reflector dishes.
Matt
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not
look like a 900mhz SM, looked more like a RocketM5
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like?
SMA connectors on top like the 900 MHz SM? N pigtails out
bottom like the old one? Twistport adapter?
I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal,
but KPP was nice enough to build a dish with a place to
mount the SM where the pigtails dressed just perfect.
Also putting coax connectors on the top is not optimal
from a drip loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain
to waterproof unless you believe in the silicone boots
which aren’t conducive to third party or custom length
coax jumpers.
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Jeff
Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
I asked him right after I saw you post about it.
Jeff Broadwick
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On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is
coming spring 2020. Also at Wispalooza show they had a
new SM there that was containerized and triband for
like $250'ish !!!
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I thought someone posted that Matt said the old
form factor was coming Q1 2020.
Not sure that’s actually different - until I can
buy it, it’s pretty much in “we are considering
it” phase.
Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the
450b, we no longer have a connectorized SM or one
that we can use with a reflector dish, and many of
us have encountered performance problems with the
integrated antenna in the 450b high gain. And
even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs, they
lack the CPU, triband capability, and xmt power of
the 450b.
Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of
the old 450 Lite APs. If we haven’t already
applied a key to make them into Full APs, I
generally prefer to replace them with a 450i AP.
It’s just so confusing having a mix of 24V and 48V
powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the
450i has a more capable CPU. So you could look at
that as an advantage of the Lite, you can upgrade
the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of
*Jeff Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists. The 3GHz high
gain is now slated for 1st qtr2020.
I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old
form factor to use with reflectors. That’s in the
“we are considering it” phase.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
450b high gain exists now, I think what is
supposed to be coming is a connectorized 450b
and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a
reflector dish.
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf
Of *Tyson Burris
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
The lite was announced and I believe the 450B
high gain sm will be coming out.
(actual SM)
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To make more money comrade.
*From:*Matt Hoppes
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of
going back to license keys.
If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to
Y with a license key - that model just never
made sense to me. I literally have all he
hardware. There’s no additional cost. You’re
just artificially crippling the unit.
If the hardware can be sold for the price of
the LITE and still make a profit, why is the
key needed to unlock features?
On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Don't know how I missed this at
Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's
website there is a new 450i AP out with a
20sm limit called LITE and can be upgraded
to full capacity with a key upgrade.
Cambium C050045AL02B
5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE
PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE
The LITE version will function exactly as
the existing PMP 450i AP but it will be
restricted to having 20 subscribers
connected. A key can be purchased to
remove this restriction.
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it has a 20 SM limit instead of 10. And
there is an integrated 90 degree sector
version too.
AWESOME
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