No fdd… CA if posible…
*From: *AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Adam Moffett
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So FDD and carrier aggregation? Those are usually high priced features.
On 10/31/2019 11:45 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
and we are at it, @Matt Mangriotis
<mailto:[email protected]> consider the
following for an extended life of the 450 platform:
-Asymmetric channel size configuration
-Asymmetric channel freq. configuration
-higher modulations (don’t know if HW is capable)
-fragmented channel assignment / CA Ex.= 40 mhz total split in 4
10mhz blocks (don’t know if HW is capable)
-Omni Medusa and 60/30 deg Medusa
-Vivato type PTP certification for Medusa (higher TX power)
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I think a 25 dBi antenna would be a standard customer install.
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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
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Yes....give us all the goddamn gain. There must be a vocal market
segment that wants small, cute antennas. But, If you want the 32+
SNR for 256QAM then you need gain. Gain beets cuteness for
anybody who's done the math.
On 10/31/2019 10:02 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Matt,
The original form factor product would be fantastic. It would
be even better if you make it so the internal unit antenna is
specifically designed to properly illuminate a reflector dish.
The original patch antenna matching to a reflector was always
something of a kludge that worked but was not optimal. I
don’t see any point in designing the unit with a patch antenna
intended for short range use as there are other/better
products in the lineup to serve that purpose. Having a unit
that is optimized for the thousands of KP, Beehive, Cambium
reflectors we have in the field would be great.
Having a unit with connectors that cleanly mates into a
twistport horn adapter would also be a useful tool in the toolbox.
If there is anything that Cambium (and every other vendor) has
taught us over the years is that you can’t have too much gain
and directionality in your client antennas. it’s really the
secret to why fixed wireless in unlicensed works so well. The
450b high gain that wasn’t high gain was disappointing.
Having the option to cleanly add antenna gain again would be
very welcome.
Mark
On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Also, to set the record a straight(er)…
The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This
will indeed have RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to
900 MHz SM).
The other one that you guys are talking about, I am
calling 450b Retro. As Jeff mentions, I am still working
up a plan for this device, and don’t have a release date
yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing
power, the wide band support, fit into the same offset
reflectors that are already out there, and be reasonably
priced.
This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older
430 or 450 SMs that are deployed already with those
reflector dishes.
Matt
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Kurt
Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not
look like a 900mhz SM, looked more like a RocketM5
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked
like? SMA connectors on top like the 900 MHz SM? N
pigtails out bottom like the old one? Twistport adapter?
I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not
optimal, but KPP was nice enough to build a dish with
a place to mount the SM where the pigtails dressed
just perfect. Also putting coax connectors on the top
is not optimal from a drip loop perspective and SMA
connectors are a pain to waterproof unless you believe
in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third
party or custom length coax jumpers.
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Jeff
Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
I asked him right after I saw you post about it.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM
is coming spring 2020. Also at Wispalooza show
they had a new SM there that was containerized and
triband for like $250'ish !!!
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I thought someone posted that Matt said the
old form factor was coming Q1 2020.
Not sure that’s actually different - until I
can buy it, it’s pretty much in “we are
considering it” phase.
Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with
the 450b, we no longer have a connectorized SM
or one that we can use with a reflector dish,
and many of us have encountered performance
problems with the integrated antenna in the
450b high gain. And even if we acquire more
of the EOL 450 SMs, they lack the CPU, triband
capability, and xmt power of the 450b.
Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have
some of the old 450 Lite APs. If we haven’t
already applied a key to make them into Full
APs, I generally prefer to replace them with a
450i AP. It’s just so confusing having a mix
of 24V and 48V powering, Canopy Sync and
Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has a more capable
CPU. So you could look at that as an
advantage of the Lite, you can upgrade the HW
in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf
Of *Jeff Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists. The 3GHz
high gain is now slated for 1st qtr2020.
I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the
old form factor to use with reflectors.
That’s in the “we are considering it” phase.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
450b high gain exists now, I think what is
supposed to be coming is a connectorized
450b and a 450b in the old form factor
that takes a reflector dish.
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On
Behalf Of *Tyson Burris
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20
SM limit
The lite was announced and I believe the
450B high gain sm will be coming out.
(actual SM)
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To make more money comrade.
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*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM
limit
I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of
going back to license keys.
If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade
it to Y with a license key - that model
just never made sense to me. I literally
have all he hardware. There’s no
additional cost. You’re just artificially
crippling the unit.
If the hardware can be sold for the price
of the LITE and still make a profit, why
is the key needed to unlock features?
On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt
Fankhauser <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Don't know how I missed this at
Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's
website there is a new 450i AP out
with a 20sm limit called LITE and can
be upgraded to full capacity with a
key upgrade.
Cambium C050045AL02B
5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE
PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE
The LITE version will function exactly
as the existing PMP 450i AP but it
will be restricted to having 20
subscribers connected. A key can be
purchased to remove this restriction.
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I can see myself using alot of these!
Glad it has a 20 SM limit instead of
10. And there is an integrated 90
degree sector version too.
AWESOME
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