My experience with a Toyota Prius the other week was that climbing a hill I 
could deplete the battery but coming down would not charge it. 

So yes. You’ll get into a deficit. 

> On Nov 30, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Seth Mattinen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/30/19 5:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Depends on distance.  My car is always charged.  So I always have 200 miles 
>> on the tank.  At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to be 
>> charged.  Local police departments are making Teslas work.  Just takes a 
>> different mindset.  No maintenance and a truck good for a half million miles 
>> with no fuel costs is pretty attractive to me (I charge with solar).
> 
> How much do you lose climbing elevation? Let's say sea level up to 7000' 180 
> miles uphill (San Fransisco to Donner Pass). It's a minimal grade for the 
> first 100 miles then the last 80 is nothing but uphill. Back when Tesla was 
> first doing their supercharger network thing they put ones in Roseville 
> (basically the bottom of the hill) and more in Truckee (just past the summit) 
> so the assumption was that the climb is hard and you would charge before 
> going up the hill and charge again after the climb. Even just to go to Lake 
> Tahoe requires crossing an 8000' summit (Reno is around 4200').
> 
> I'd like to get my wife an electric car, but it seems like normal mountain 
> driving would eat the battery quickly and then it never gets used except for 
> flat driving to and from her job or shopping. I'll have 16.3kW DC of solar 
> panels by the end of February and the way I see it is free "fuel" for the 
> car. I don't care about saving the planet as much as I am interested in 
> technology.
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