I don’t lose 60 miles from the cold.  Maybe 10 miles.

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck

You don’t see a major issue losing 60 miles when it’s cold out?

Yes. Gas changes - but because I put a trailer on or minorly with temperature 
change. 

Batteries change majorly just with use. 

That’s my point - I have a 1/4 tank and go up to a tower - I’ll still have a 
1/4 tank. 

Tesla with 50 miles go up to tower with heat running and I’m stranded. 

Consider also that a cop car running on gas can turn around in 3 minutes from a 
refuel vs 20-70 for a super charge. 

On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote:


  Matt, 

  You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally false. Mpg gets worse 
in every gad vehicle with cold temps and higher loads as well. 

  In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or Honda accord in the 
winter. With the snowmobile trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get about 
10mpg compared to our 19mpg without it. 

  I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to the same things 
that affect battery range. 

  Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of most peoples daily 
miles. I can day our work vans definitely don't drive more than the 300 to 500 
mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with normal weather and 
in the winter, about 250 miles which always takes care of my daily drive. 
Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north Dakota. It's on their to 
do list. 

  On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes <[email protected]> 
wrote:

    Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck.

    This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles and an electric 
    truck:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html

    “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles left on the charge, 
    but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the situation, going over 110 
    miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down faster,” Ms. Bosques 
    said.

    The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as soon as he started 
    the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to call off the chase.

    Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to go, and you start up 
    a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and suddenly get 
    stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from the load of 
    pulling up the hill.

    Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's the same no matter what.
    Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature and usage.

    On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
    > Depends on distance.  My car is always charged.  So I always have 200 
miles on the tank.  At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to be 
charged.  Local police departments are making Teslas work.  Just takes a 
different mindset.  No maintenance and a truck good for a half million miles 
with no fuel costs is pretty attractive to me (I charge with solar).

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