I haven’t. But I have run out of gas maybe two or three times in my life for one reason or another.
Very easy for someone to bring me a 5 gallon jug of go juice and I’m off for 150 miles. > On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:59 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > AAA generators are level 2 and some level 3. > > Level 2 40 amp 240 chargers can add 30 miles of driving range in an hour. > > But how many times have you called AAA because you ran out of gas? > Never, because you manage it. Electrics just take a different kind of > managing it. > I have never run out of charge except for the time I did it on purpose. > > > From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:40 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > Right. But a standard 120volt 20amp outlet like found on many generators will > only charge at 5 miles per hour. > >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:19 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Totally depends on the current of the charger. If you are charging at 400 >> amps it does not take long to fill the batts. >> >> From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:56 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >> >> You being a generator and charge at the astounding rate of 5 miles per hour. >> >> So let’s say you’re 30 miles from town. That’s 6 hours you’ll need to wait >> with the generator running. >> >>> On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> What do you do when an EV runs out of charge in the middle of nowhere? >>> Let’s say you call someone, what do they bring? Can you charge it from a >>> typical portable generator? If you call a tow service, do they have fast >>> chargers on their trucks? >>> >>> >>> >>> Not making a point, just asking. Maybe there is a simple answer. I don’t >>> drive an EV so I don’t know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chuck with his Leaf could put it in limp mode and try to make it to a >>> charging station, or a hybrid could run on gas. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones >>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:35 AM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >>> >>> >>> >>> There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from 50 >>> miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard >>> acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of >>> fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas >>> vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving with no >>> load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, then again when >>> you have a trailer attached, then again by pretending you're in a police >>> chase and accelerating heavily. >>> >>> >>> >>> Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles. >>> >>> >>> >>> Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla so far >>> and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going into our >>> second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the day, I've never ran >>> out of juice and my car is no less efficient than a gas car in the same >>> driving conditions. >>> >>> >>> >>> You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their gas >>> vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all the time >>> actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a Tesla. I've >>> talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department and they all have >>> stories of cars running out of gas during highspeed chases because they're >>> putting way more load on their cars. >>> >>> >>> >>> So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you schedule a >>> test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn something. I'll say >>> it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in the US. In another 2 years >>> with more charging infrastructure, they'll work for 100% of drivers all the >>> time and there will be zero chance of running out of juice. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said 50 miles of >>> range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric motors aren’t efficient at >>> high speeds. >>> >>> >>> On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> For that police chase article, the department actually updated and said the >>> car wasn't fully charged the night before from the officer who used it >>> last. He forgot to plug it in so the car never started the shift with a >>> full charge. Not the Teslas fault. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> >>> >>> You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally false. Mpg gets >>> worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps and higher loads as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or Honda accord in the >>> winter. With the snowmobile trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get about >>> 10mpg compared to our 19mpg without it. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to the same things >>> that affect battery range. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of most peoples >>> daily miles. I can day our work vans definitely don't drive more than the >>> 300 to 500 mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with >>> normal weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always takes care >>> of my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north >>> Dakota. It's on their to do list. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. >>> >>> This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles and an electric >>> truck: >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html >>> >>> “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles left on the charge, >>> but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the situation, going over 110 >>> miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down faster,” Ms. Bosques >>> said. >>> >>> The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as soon as he started >>> the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to call off the chase. >>> >>> Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to go, and you start up >>> a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and suddenly get >>> stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from the load of >>> pulling up the hill. >>> >>> Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's the same no matter what. >>> Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature and usage. >>> >>> On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> > Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So I always have 200 >>> > miles on the tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to >>> > be charged. Local police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes >>> > a different mindset. 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