Some people are just against change no matter what the benefits are. The status quo is not always what's best and those who are so rigid they can't change, are typically those who fall behind in business and in life.
Get with the times and succeed. Those who fight it will be left out ha On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 3:13 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > I used all the same arguments against electric vehicles that some of the > people here are bringing up before I had one... Then I figured, what the > heck, it's worth trying, and bought one... most of that stuff simply isn't > a big deal, in reality. > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 3:09 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In my mind, this argument is similar to not wearing a seatbelt because >> you might get trapped in a burning vehicle. Technically true, but the >> advantages far outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion. >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 4:05 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >> >> I haven’t. But I have run out of gas maybe two or three times in my life >> for one reason or another. >> >> Very easy for someone to bring me a 5 gallon jug of go juice and I’m off >> for 150 miles. >> >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:59 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> AAA generators are level 2 and some level 3. >> >> Level 2 40 amp 240 chargers can add 30 miles of driving range in an >> hour. >> >> But how many times have you called AAA because you ran out of gas? >> Never, because you manage it. Electrics just take a different kind of >> managing it. >> I have never run out of charge except for the time I did it on purpose. >> >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 3:40 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >> >> Right. But a standard 120volt 20amp outlet like found on many generators >> will only charge at 5 miles per hour. >> >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:19 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Totally depends on the current of the charger. If you are charging at 400 >> amps it does not take long to fill the batts. >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:56 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >> >> You being a generator and charge at the astounding rate of 5 miles per >> hour. >> >> So let’s say you’re 30 miles from town. That’s 6 hours you’ll need to >> wait with the generator running. >> >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> What do you do when an EV runs out of charge in the middle of nowhere? >> Let’s say you call someone, what do they bring? Can you charge it from a >> typical portable generator? If you call a tow service, do they have fast >> chargers on their trucks? >> >> >> >> Not making a point, just asking. Maybe there is a simple answer. I >> don’t drive an EV so I don’t know. >> >> >> >> Chuck with his Leaf could put it in limp mode and try to make it to a >> charging station, or a hybrid could run on gas. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:35 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >> >> >> >> There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from 50 >> miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard >> acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of >> fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> >> >> I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas >> vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving with no >> load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, then again when >> you have a trailer attached, then again by pretending you're in a police >> chase and accelerating heavily. >> >> >> >> Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles. >> >> >> >> Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla so far >> and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going into our >> second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the day, I've never ran >> out of juice and my car is no less efficient than a gas car in the same >> driving conditions. >> >> >> >> You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their gas >> vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all the time >> actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a Tesla. I've >> talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department and they all have >> stories of cars running out of gas during highspeed chases because they're >> putting way more load on their cars. >> >> >> >> So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you schedule >> a test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn something. I'll say >> it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in the US. In another 2 years >> with more charging infrastructure, they'll work for 100% of drivers all the >> time and there will be zero chance of running out of juice. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said 50 miles >> of range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric motors aren’t efficient >> at high speeds. >> >> >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> For that police chase article, the department actually updated and said >> the car wasn't fully charged the night before from the officer who used it >> last. He forgot to plug it in so the car never started the shift with a >> full charge. Not the Teslas fault. >> >> >> >> >> https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> >> >> You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally false. Mpg gets >> worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps and higher loads as well. >> >> >> >> In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or Honda accord in >> the winter. With the snowmobile trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get >> about 10mpg compared to our 19mpg without it. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to the same things >> that affect battery range. >> >> >> >> Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of most peoples >> daily miles. I can day our work vans definitely don't drive more than the >> 300 to 500 mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with >> normal weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always takes care >> of my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north >> Dakota. It's on their to do list. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. >> >> This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles and an electric >> truck: >> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html >> >> “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles left on the charge, >> but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the situation, going over 110 >> miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down faster,” Ms. Bosques >> said. >> >> The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as soon as he started >> the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to call off the chase. >> >> Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to go, and you start up >> a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and suddenly get >> stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from the load of >> pulling up the hill. >> >> Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's the same no matter >> what. >> Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature and usage. >> >> On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> > Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So I always have 200 >> miles on the tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to be >> charged. Local police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes a >> different mindset. No maintenance and a truck good for a half million >> miles with no fuel costs is pretty attractive to me (I charge with solar). >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Darin Steffl >> >> Minnesota WiFi >> >> www.mnwifi.com >> >> 507-634-WiFi >> >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
-- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
