What do you do when an EV runs out of charge in the middle of
nowhere? Let’s say you call someone, what do they bring? Can you
charge it from a typical portable generator? If you call a tow
service, do they have fast chargers on their trucks?
Not making a point, just asking. Maybe there is a simple answer. I
don’t drive an EV so I don’t know.
Chuck with his Leaf could put it in limp mode and try to make it to a
charging station, or a hybrid could run on gas.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:35 AM
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There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you
from 50 miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and
hard acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles
worth of fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected]>
wrote:
Matt,
I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your
gas vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal
driving with no load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's
below 30, then again when you have a trailer attached, then again
by pretending you're in a police chase and accelerating heavily.
Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles.
Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my
Tesla so far and made it through a Minnesota winter already and
just going into our second winter. I've learned a lot but at the
end of the day, I've never ran out of juice and my car is no less
efficient than a gas car in the same driving conditions.
You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their
gas vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all
the time actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not
a Tesla. I've talked with state troopers and our sheriff's
department and they all have stories of cars running out of gas
during highspeed chases because they're putting way more load on
their cars.
So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you
schedule a test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn
something. I'll say it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers
in the US. In another 2 years with more charging infrastructure,
they'll work for 100% of drivers all the time and there will be
zero chance of running out of juice.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]> wrote:
That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car
said 50 miles of range. Which then dropped to 8 because
electric motors aren’t efficient at high speeds.
On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl
<[email protected]> wrote:
For that police chase article, the department actually
updated and said the car wasn't fully charged the night
before from the officer who used it last. He forgot to
plug it in so the car never started the shift with a full
charge. Not the Teslas fault.
https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl
<[email protected]> wrote:
Matt,
You said gas is the same no matter what. That's
totally false. Mpg gets worse in every gad vehicle
with cold temps and higher loads as well.
In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck
or Honda accord in the winter. With the snowmobile
trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get about 10mpg
compared to our 19mpg without it.
I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are
immune to the same things that affect battery range.
Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles
99% of most peoples daily miles. I can day our work
vans definitely don't drive more than the 300 to 500
mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310
miles with normal weather and in the winter, about
250 miles which always takes care of my daily drive.
Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north
Dakota. It's on their to do list.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck.
This is exactly what scares me about electric
vehicles and an electric
truck:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html
“We think it started the pursuit with about 50
miles left on the charge,
but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the
situation, going over 110
miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain
down faster,” Ms. Bosques
said.
The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge,
but as soon as he started
the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had
to call off the chase.
Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles
to go, and you start up
a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site
and suddenly get
stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range
from the load of
pulling up the hill.
Gas - I always know what I have and in general
it's the same no matter what.
Electric - Huge variations depending on
temperature and usage.
On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Depends on distance. My car is always
charged. So I always have 200 miles on the
tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it
needs to be charged. Local police departments
are making Teslas work. Just takes a different
mindset. No maintenance and a truck good for a
half million miles with no fuel costs is pretty
attractive to me (I charge with solar).
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