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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > Stocking distributors and local support? > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links > > > > PTP820 - why buy from Cambium instead of direct from Ceragon? > > > On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Erich Kaiser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > 56mhz throughput data capacities vs 80mhz throughput data capacities is a > significant factor. Plus can the AF11 do ACCP (Unless yo use 2 dishes or a > custom combiner)? We had a link recently with only 80mhz channels > available on vertical. Getting to 4096 QAM is not easy on longer links > (Probably anything over 4-5miles) IMO. I am a huge fan of Ceragon > IP/20/Cambium PTP820 very reliable radios with a great feature set. The > only thing they are missing is a SFP+ port (Which I believe is coming on a > new version) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:27 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > The efficiency is a dumpster fire. 256 QAM radios have about the same > spectral efficiency. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:23:41 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links > > Well, the efficiency isn't quite that bad. at 1024QAM (they actually do > support 2048QAM now too) they can do somewhere around 350-375Mbps per > polarity using a 56mhz channel, which is about the same as what our old SAF > Lumina can do at 256QAM... of course if you figure that as an 80mhz > channel, rather than 56mhz, it's pretty bad. I'm pretty sure that it > doesn't meet the FCC efficiency requirements at the lowest modulations, but > you'd have to have a pretty poorly engineered link for that to be a problem. > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > If I remember right the biggest spectral efficiency problem with the > AF-11x is that it uses both polarizations yet only gets the throughput of a > single pol link. Could be difficult to license if you can’t get both > polarizations. Good news, if you’re successful getting the license, you > should be able to modify the license and upgrade to a true 1.3+ Gbps full > duplex radio from SIAE, Aviat, Cambium, etc. Bad news, if you’re pushing > the distance such that you can’t run 1024QAM or better most of the time, > you may not meet the FCC minimum spectral efficiency requirement. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:28 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links > > > > Yeah, but the AF11 actually has to use an 80mhz emission designator, even > though it's really only using 56mhz... so theoretically, if you upgrade the > link to radios that can handle 80mhz, you shouldn't have any problems > licensing it. > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:11 AM Daniel White <[email protected]> wrote: > > You license an emission designatior... not a channel per se. > > When you license 56MHz of spectrum you use the 80MHz channel plan but > there isn't 24MHz of unused spectrum sitting there... it gets used up > pretty quickly for other paths, etc. > > So moral of the story... don't do that. > > > > [image: photograph] > > > *Daniel White*Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations > > *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766 > *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770 > > 3172 N Rainbow Blvd PMB 20394 > Las Vegas, Nevada 89108 > > [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/getatheral/> [image: > youtube icon] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpPZv-EsGCj8LXfzylwCrjQ> > [image: > linkedin icon] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/atheral/> > > > > Seth Mattinen wrote on 1/8/20 09:54: > > On 1/8/20 8:36 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > if you have an 80mhz channel and are running radios in 56mhz channel width > can u just put a 2nd link up and split them up to the two 40mhz? > > > > No, that's not allowed. 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