I see a lot of people in other forums that seem to think the virus won't be as dangerous in the US because 'murica, but looking my average fellow Americans and our rate of comorbidities, I'm not so sure about that. Also, this:
https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/transporting-an-infected-person-china-italy-usa-comparison-corona-virus.jpg On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > This is not good news: > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Wow, that is sad. Really brings the whole situation home. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Prince >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >> >> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a >> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has >> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s. >> >> >> bp >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> > Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent >> > you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If >> you >> > want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you >> _must_ >> > stop people from passing. Part of the reason not to touch is also to >> > keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good >> body >> > of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2 >> days >> > on everything else. YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little >> bugger >> > than the common flu.. >> > >> > On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if >> you >> >> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't >> >> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in. >> >> >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >> >>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks. >> >>> >> >>> Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't >> have a >> >>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event? What the >> >>> heck? >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Steven Kenney >> >>> Network Operations Manager >> >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >> >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> >> >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> >> >>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >> >>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM >> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>> >> >>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the >> term >> >>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US >> >>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as >> airlines, >> >>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge >> >>> capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more >> >>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The Chinese weren’t >> stupid >> >>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. >> >>> Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! >> >>> >> >>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the >> first >> >>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is >> worse >> >>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating >> capacity. >> >>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is >> >>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get >> >>> quarantined. This appears to be happening with that nursing home in >> >>> Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a >> >>> precaution because they had been to that facility. >> >>> >> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM >> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>> >> >>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have >> >>> enough patients >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com >> >>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from >> >>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette! >> >>> >> >>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten >> >>> the end. >> >>> >> >>> bp >> >>> >> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for >> >>> tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old >> >>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is >> >>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times, >> >>> they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who >> >>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages. >> >>> >> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM >> >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>> >> >>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your >> >>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it. >> >>> >> >>> Just a hypothesis. >> >>> >> >>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>> >> >>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the >> >>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right >> >>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal >> >>> tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have >> >>> the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never >> >>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about >> >>> these things. a lot like devout christians worying about >> >>> end times and rapture. >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown >> >>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you >> >>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex >> >>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place >> >>> at the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna get >> >>> us all. >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka >> >>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com >> >>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and >> >>> rave here. Can't do it at home, wife just rolls >> >>> eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I >> >>> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy. So, >> >>> Thank You. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Best regards, >> >>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >>> >> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >> >>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >> >>> >> >>> ------ >> >>> >> >>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from >> >>> Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of >> >>> science-y. >> >>> >> >>> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading >> >>> undetected for about six weeks in Washington >> >>> state, where the first U.S. death was reported >> >>> this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the >> >>> cases are linked through community transmission >> >>> and that this has been going on for weeks, with >> >>> hundreds of infections likely in the state. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of >> >>> *Ken Hohhof >> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM >> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>> >> >>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I >> >>> have not seen news reports anything close to “we >> >>> are all going to die”. >> >>> >> >>> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs >> >>> at all of people buying up all the Lysol and >> >>> Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of >> >>> foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was >> >>> full. News reports have said wash your hands and >> >>> that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I >> >>> don’t think that’s doomsday advice. >> >>> >> >>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all >> >>> crazy there (as usual). Actually I have to admit >> >>> that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart >> >>> are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson >> >>> Fresh Meats. >> >>> >> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of >> >>> *Mark - Myakka Technologies >> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM >> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>> >> >>> There are only a few things we know for sure. >> >>> >> >>> 1. It is already in the US >> >>> 2. More people in the US will get it >> >>> 3. More people in the US will die. >> >>> >> >>> Anything other than this is pure speculation at >> >>> this point. We don't know anything about this >> >>> virus. Most everything I hear or read about this >> >>> virus starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE >> >>> ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother to listen or >> >>> read the article, it always has "may" or "some >> >>> experts". The current official incubation period >> >>> is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 days and >> >>> base all our models on this and report it as the >> >>> most likely scenario. We don't know how long it >> >>> lives on surfaces. We don't know how it reacts to >> >>> UV light. We don't know how it will do in >> >>> warm/humid conditions. >> >>> >> >>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), This >> >>> virus has been in the states before the first >> >>> reported case. People have had it and recovered >> >>> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed >> >>> is going to get it. Not everyone who gets it is >> >>> going to need to be hospitalized. Not everyone >> >>> who gets hospitalized will die. >> >>> >> >>> The media once again is doing us a huge >> >>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way out >> >>> of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every >> >>> can of Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone. >> >>> Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone. Every bottle of any >> sized >> >>> hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported "maybe" case is over >> >>> 1300 miles away. God forbid we get a reported >> >>> case in Florida, what will happen then? Going to >> >>> start burning and looting? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Best regards, >> >>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >>> >> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >> >>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >> >>> >> >>> ------ >> >>> >> >>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or >> >>> any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention to as >> >>> much scientifically-based information I can find >> >>> though. >> >>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current >> >>> knowledge without any spin: >> >>> >> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you >> >>> >> >>> bp >> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>> >> >>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. >> >>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says. >> >>> >> >>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of >> >>> *Steve Jones >> >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM >> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >>> <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT >> >>> stock) >> >>> >> >>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the >> >>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so russians >> >>> are asians. Taking them out of the running too.... >> >>> Weve said too much >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett >> >>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits. >> >>> >> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is >> >>> obviously genetically designed to target Asians. >> >>> The proof is that 99% of infections are asians. >> >>> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party >> >>> trying to eliminate a majority of the population >> >>> so they can initiate another run at global >> >>> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that >> >>> her friend, carols husband Brad told her that he >> >>> heard that this is what brexit was all about. >> >>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an alliance >> >>> now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow >> >>> government of guess what... Nazis. >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett >> >>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus? >> >>> >> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >>> > I'm waiting for Godwin... >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > bp >> >>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>> > >> >>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that >> >>> literally everything is a >> >>> >> "conspiracy". >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on >> >>> purpose, and nobody has the >> >>> >> whole picture of what happened until more time >> >>> passes. In the interim >> >>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going >> >>> around. People latch >> >>> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to >> >>> be wrong and they >> >>> >> won't let go of them. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to >> >>> distract press from Hong Kong >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat >> >>> China in a trade war >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to >> >>> discredit Mexican Lager (I >> >>> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?) >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all >> >>> stock our survival bunkers. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> China is hiding all the information about >> >>> Coronavirus. Really? Or >> >>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time >> >>> omniscient feed of all >> >>> >> information so they're reporting what they >> >>> think is true at the time >> >>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't >> >>> all true. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion >> >>> off topic. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only >> >>> about a dozen actual >> >>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a >> >>> big deal. Novel >> >>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than >> >>> SARS, but not >> >>> >>> particularly deadly. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > - Forrest > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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