I see a lot of people in other forums that seem to think the virus won't
be as dangerous in the US because 'murica, but looking my average fellow
Americans and our rate of comorbidities, I'm not so sure about that.
Also, this:
https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/transporting-an-infected-person-china-italy-usa-comparison-corona-virus.jpg
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Forrest Christian (List Account)
<li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
This is not good news:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Wow, that is sad. Really brings the whole situation home.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back
from a
cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told
he has
COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down )
to prevent
> you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in
public. If you
> want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead of
this you _must_
> stop people from passing. Part of the reason not to touch
is also to
> keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a
pretty good body
> of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic
and 1-2 days
> on everything else. YES UV helps but this is a much tougher
little bugger
> than the common flu..
>
> On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH,
they say if you
>> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
masks don't
>> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the
virus in.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>>>
>>> Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world
doesn't have a
>>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an
event? What the
>>> heck?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven Kenney
>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I
heard the term
>>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
saying US
>>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way
as airlines,
>>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not
much surge
>>> capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up
more
>>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The Chinese
weren’t stupid
>>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field
hospital.
>>> Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!
>>>
>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first
>>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
hurricane is worse
>>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies,
eliminating capacity.
>>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard
against is
>>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get
>>> quarantined. This appears to be happening with that
nursing home in
>>> Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined
as a
>>> precaution because they had been to that facility.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they
dont have
>>> enough patients
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from
>>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>>
>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
and hasten
>>> the end.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock
food for
>>> tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
>>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is
>>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the
end times,
>>> they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end. Who
>>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
>>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it.
>>>
>>> Just a hypothesis.
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to
be the
>>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers
are right
>>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of
utilizing primal
>>> tools and food/water sources. if it goes
boogity, we have
>>> the best firepower and ammunition and training.
so i never
>>> understood why people on the right get very
nervous about
>>> these things. a lot like devout christians
worying about
>>> end times and rapture.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse
than you
>>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might
be Alex
>>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the
same place
>>> at the same time. He is certain Kung flu
is gonna get
>>> us all.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
>>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com>
>>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me
rant and
>>> rave here. Can't do it at home, wife
just rolls
>>> eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.
Chuck, I
>>> know you are saving me a few $ in
therapy. So,
>>> Thank You.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com>
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> <http://www.Myakka.com>
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting
(it’s from
>>> Washington Post after all), but sounds
kind of
>>> science-y.
>>>
>>> The novel coronavirus has probably been
spreading
>>> undetected for about six weeks in
Washington
>>> state, where the first U.S. death was
reported
>>> this weekend. A genetic analysis
suggests that the
>>> cases are linked through community
transmission
>>> and that this has been going on for
weeks, with
>>> hundreds of infections likely in the state.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart
thing. I
>>> have not seen news reports anything
close to “we
>>> are all going to die”.
>>>
>>> And I just stopped at the grocery
store, no signs
>>> at all of people buying up all the
Lysol and
>>> Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump
bottles of
>>> foaming hand soap we like, but the
shelf was
>>> full. News reports have said wash your
hands and
>>> that it’s good advice for seasonal flu
as well, I
>>> don’t think that’s doomsday advice.
>>>
>>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe
things are all
>>> crazy there (as usual). Actually I
have to admit
>>> that I recently discovered the steaks
from Walmart
>>> are actually pretty good, they were
branded Tyson
>>> Fresh Meats.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> There are only a few things we know for
sure.
>>>
>>> 1. It is already in the US
>>> 2. More people in the US will get it
>>> 3. More people in the US will die.
>>>
>>> Anything other than this is pure
speculation at
>>> this point. We don't know anything
about this
>>> virus. Most everything I hear or read
about this
>>> virus starts off with the equivalent of
"WE ARE
>>> ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother to
listen or
>>> read the article, it always has "may"
or "some
>>> experts". The current official
incubation period
>>> is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report
14 days and
>>> base all our models on this and report
it as the
>>> most likely scenario. We don't know
how long it
>>> lives on surfaces. We don't know how it
reacts to
>>> UV light. We don't know how it will do in
>>> warm/humid conditions.
>>>
>>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone
else's), This
>>> virus has been in the states before the
first
>>> reported case. People have had it and
recovered
>>> thinking it was just the flu. Not
everyone exposed
>>> is going to get it. Not everyone who
gets it is
>>> going to need to be hospitalized. Not
everyone
>>> who gets hospitalized will die.
>>>
>>> The media once again is doing us a huge
>>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing
way out
>>> of proportion. Was at Wal-mart
yesterday. Every
>>> can of Lysol or Lysol type of product
was gone.
>>> Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone. Every bottle
of any sized
>>> hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported "maybe"
case is over
>>> 1300 miles away. God forbid we get a
reported
>>> case in Florida, what will happen then?
Going to
>>> start burning and looting?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
<mailto:m...@mailmt.com>
>>>
>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> <http://www.Myakka.com>
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play
one on TV or
>>> any podcasts or blogs. I do pay
attention to as
>>> much scientifically-based information I
can find
>>> though.
>>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our
current
>>> knowledge without any spin:
>>>
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a
socialist.
>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says.
>>>
>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
(was UBNT
>>> stock)
>>>
>>> thats the secret, remember russia
shafted the
>>> nazis last time... russia is in asia,
so russians
>>> are asians. Taking them out of the
running too....
>>> Weve said too much
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam
Moffett
>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits.
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction.
This is
>>> obviously genetically designed to
target Asians.
>>> The proof is that 99% of infections are
asians.
>>> Obviously this is the resurgence of the
Nazi party
>>> trying to eliminate a majority of the
population
>>> so they can initiate another run at global
>>> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen
told me that
>>> her friend, carols husband Brad told
her that he
>>> heard that this is what brexit was all
about.
>>> Germany and Great Britian are forming
an alliance
>>> now. Its all hush hush, but there is a
shadow
>>> government of guess what... Nazis.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam
Moffett
>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus?
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>> >
>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now
is that
>>> literally everything is a
>>> >> "conspiracy".
>>> >>
>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did
it on
>>> purpose, and nobody has the
>>> >> whole picture of what happened until
more time
>>> passes. In the interim
>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting
information going
>>> around. People latch
>>> >> onto early bits of information that
turn out to
>>> be wrong and they
>>> >> won't let go of them.
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the
Chinese to
>>> distract press from Hong Kong
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA
to defeat
>>> China in a trade war
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I
>>> >> mean that one's obviously a
joke.....right?)
>>> >>
>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we
must all
>>> stock our survival bunkers.
>>> >>
>>> >> China is hiding all the information
about
>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or
>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live
real-time
>>> omniscient feed of all
>>> >> information so they're reporting
what they
>>> think is true at the time
>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on
Facebook aren't
>>> all true.
>>> >>
>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince
wrote:
>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this
discussion
>>> off topic.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the
US, and only
>>> about a dozen actual
>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking
this is not a
>>> big deal. Novel
>>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more
infectious than
>>> SARS, but not
>>> >>> particularly deadly.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
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