So far population infection rates haven't hit more than 1 percent anywhere
have they

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:07 AM Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what
> is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid
> May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want
> to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life
> for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility of
> refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our
> county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they
> have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the population
> here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two hospitals here
> are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each. Traditionally trauma
> patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the bigger cities which
> will not be an option due to overstretched resources in the bigger cities
> and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider that some of the
> data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need hospitalized you start to
> grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump knows all this, he
> was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not be
> tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of happening. If
> it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there with Italy as
> we speak...
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the 3
>>>> Stooges line "I resemble that remark"......
>>>>
>>>> Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm....  I
>>>> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already
>>>> are.....
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>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
>>>> have people revolting (myself included).
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>>>>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>>>>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to 
>>>>> actually
>>>>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>>>>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
>>>>> find something else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
>>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>
>>>>> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try
>>>>> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
>>>>> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
>>>>> international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run 
>>>>> it's
>>>>> course, or so it seems to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the
>>>>> hospital capacity and that's great.  Are we going to somehow reduce social
>>>>> isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation end
>>>>> organically as people get sick of staying home?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic
>>>>>
>>>>> The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate
>>>>> hidden numbers of magnitude
>>>>>
>>>>> Heres the logic thats completely being ignored
>>>>>
>>>>> The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have been
>>>>> attributed to flu
>>>>> There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the anticipated
>>>>> rates this year
>>>>>
>>>>> The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays counts of
>>>>> those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT equate
>>>>> to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody can just 
>>>>> go
>>>>> get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as a 
>>>>> promising
>>>>> number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are those in the
>>>>> very high probability category. So of those assumed to be infected, only 8
>>>>> percent of them actually are.
>>>>>
>>>>> We still havent hit globally the number of infections and deaths from
>>>>> the swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY TODAY, there
>>>>> are less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The current
>>>>> response is such that has never been seen in the history of the planet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers island
>>>>> infected now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not only 
>>>>> do
>>>>> we have a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands of
>>>>> indigent on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having
>>>>> locked up such a percentage of the population in the first place is a 
>>>>> whole
>>>>> other OT rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine 
>>>>> that
>>>>> having helped their situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even more than
>>>>> they normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly inaccurate... it's
>>>>>> really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers aren't far off
>>>>>> what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have reported
>>>>>> are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls 
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> most of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the 
>>>>>> outbreak
>>>>>> than most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have low
>>>>>> numbers at this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But who knows what's really going on in some of these countries... it
>>>>>> certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their numbers, it
>>>>>> all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this point,
>>>>>> and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter 
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> the source is, but the high level of government control over everything 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard something on
>>>>>>> NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or never)
>>>>>>> before we understand the scope of this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are
>>>>>>> covering up.  Especially in the labor camps.  Communal sleeping barns 
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> No sanitation facilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to
>>>>>>> indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the death count is the death count
>>>>>>>
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