I think you hit the nail on the head. Many problems are tolerable if the money saved is enough. When the savings diminishes, are the problems still tolerable?
Ubiquiti has some great people working there, but they also have a lot of bozos. Those bozos keep getting in the way. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com> To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:10:16 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios I think people were used to Ubnt being the disrupter. 1/10th the cost of prior wireless gear (ptp's were 10K for the same speed as a 5Ghz 100mb/s link). The market adapted, now they are fractionally better instead of an order of magnitude on price and their shortcomings on reliability and s/w became less tolerable at that difference. If LTU fixes all the shortcomings then fractionally cheaper will be a winner for apples and apples devices.. On 4/29/20 7:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: What's funny is I feel the opposite. I avoided Ubiquiti because IMO they sold WiFi hardware with a glossy coating and slick looking datasheets. I thought it was all smoke and mirrors. I still used it on occasion, because glossy looking WiFi gear can make a point to point link for $300 and some times there are uses for that. I scoffed at AF11 because the marketing claims were not in line with what it really was. "Best in class" spectral efficiency? Your datasheet doesn't actually support that claim, boys. More smoke and mirrors. I can see how the price would be compelling in the right scenario, but they could present it honestly and still sell it. Now I feel like they finally have a professional product in LTU. It needs a few more features, but I think most of what I would want is on the roadmap already. I was messing with an AirCube and I like that too. I recently deployed an Edgeswitch and I'm pretty happy with that too. I feel like they've finally grown up. I'm still very alert for "smoke and mirrors", but so far I'm pretty happy with these more recent products. I don't know why you thought of them as an underdog. They grossed just shy of $200 million in 2011 and they're hitting closer to a billion in more recent years. They haven't been an "underdog" for at least a decade. Cambium has something like 1/4 of the revenue that Ubiquiti does. On 4/28/2020 1:27 PM, TJ Trout wrote: <blockquote> I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my buttons about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings about supporting the underdog. Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog because they have now become like everyone else. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: <blockquote> I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the Kits in stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before they start offering piecemeal parts again. Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they thought of the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods around the conference table, after seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and giant dollar signs and Moneybags. Then nobody bought them, so other parts are just magically 'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales. On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: <blockquote> Agreed. I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications. I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program. They said they would sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet. If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles, you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish. Right now, you have to buy the kit and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’ dishes down the road. Horribly wasteful. Radiowave and KP built dishes specifically for the AF-11. They are really screwed right now. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <blockquote> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: <blockquote> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products - something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles. On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome, always emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't even get from Baltic because they are sold out. On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski < ch...@macenski.com > wrote: <blockquote> Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time... On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski < ch...@macenski.com > wrote: <blockquote> https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/ On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: <blockquote> >From Streakwave? They're the one's that told me this morning they were never >going to get them. On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: <blockquote> Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the change of the model number of the standalone radio. Now that the model number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but they are once again available. Sent from my iPhone <blockquote> On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: </blockquote> <blockquote> One distributor I talked to said they were being told by UBNT that their Single Radio order would never be fulfilled.... On 4/27/2020 3:20 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote: <blockquote> That rumor is incorrect. The AF11 radio is available as a stand-alone SKU. https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airfiber/products/af-11 Chuck On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: <blockquote> Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company that likes to frivolously sue its customers and distributors? They also seem to like to discontinue products at the drop of a hat. Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that. 2 cents -Sean On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: <blockquote> I've heard a rumor that the only way to buy an AF11 radio now is in a kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish. Single radios cannot be purchased. How can you keep spares of equipment if that's the case? The price has gone up too. We were getting bare radios for $585 last year. Now if you break the cost out of the Dishes and Diplexers from the Kit, it's $680 for just the radio. And places that have bare radios listed in their online stores (but have no stock) have a single radio in the $900 range. Is UBNT Just trying to kill the 3rd party Antenna market? Or were they having problems interfacing to other dishes because of their unique N connector method? 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