LOL 'Enough Money' These are traders we're talking about. They have bottomless pockets. They'll spend $100M on a project just to see if it works, then abandon it 6 months later. The tower owners we talk to hate these guys, they come in, spend a ton of money on buildouts, then just stop paying rent a few months down the way and abandon everything. They've learned to just charge a lot up front, and these guys will pay it.

On 9/1/2020 10:57 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Enough money behind it, they might be able to get a channel on every HF band. You don’t need to send much info to by or sell. I wonder if a troposcatter system could be licensed?
Or launch a stratosphere balloon to use as an analog repeater.
*From:* Caleb Knauer
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:35 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP
Interesting. I’ll check it out.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 11:19 AM Nate Burke <[email protected]> wrote:











    It seems most of what I still notice are the Cielo radios.  But

    almost all of the HFT Guys in Chicago have switched over to the

    Ionosphere antennas.  Where they have the huge yagi antennas with

    just a single licensed link back to the Datacenter. I can count 10

    different sites within 15 miles that are using this setup.  One of

    the towers we are on is in the process of installing a 3 antenna

    system, 30'x40' antennas at 100', 125' and 150'. Single licensed

    radio back to the CME datacenter.





    On 9/1/2020 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett

    wrote:








    There is a whole other class of

    low-latency wireless gear. FEC is removed. ARQ is nowhere to be

    found.






    The radios are optimized so that the data spends as few

    picoseconds as possible in the radio.











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    *From:

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    *Sent: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:47:00 AM


    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP





    All the licensed gear I know of is full duplex, and

    should have near wire speed latency. The latency should be

    proportional to the link distance.








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    On 9/1/2020 7:36 AM, Caleb

    Knauer wrote:






        Anybody here up to date on current ultra low latency

        licensed PTP gear?  Like in HFT networks. Trying to round

        up the current players.









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