>
> Unfortunately attitudes sometimes take a generation to change. When I
> was young, people smoked everywhere, then they started having
> designated smoking areas, now smokers are pariahs. Used to be, if
> your dog pooped on someone else’s lawn, you left it for them to pick
> up. People used to chew tobacco and spit on the sidewalk. Buffets
> didn’t used to have sneezeguards. It took Seinfeld to make “double
> dipping” a taboo. Other things like seatbelts and child seats have
> gone from controversial to the societal norm. Probably motorcycle
> helmets are the exception, mostly because the only harm to others is
> they have to see your brains all over the road if you get in an
accident.
>
> It’s interesting how worked up some people get at women breastfeeding
> in public, but asking that you wear a piece of cloth over your nose
> and mouth when indoors and within close proximity to others while
> there is a highly infectious respiratory disease circulating, well,
> that’s an intolerable infringement on your freedom.
>
> Even the stores with the “no shoes, no shirt, no service” policy,
> where was the outrage over that? What about restaurants that require
> men to wear a coat and tie? I’m not a big fan, but hey, your house,
> your rules.
>
> We seem to have lost the ability to respect others. Like covering
> your head or taking off your shoes when going into some houses of
> worship, that’s not a violation of your freedom, it’s respecting others.
>
> With the Covid pandemic, though, I don’t think we have time to wait a
> generation. Think of all the people who died waiting decades for
> cigarettes to become uncool. I will say, when I see the young kids in
> stores and other public places with masks, they seem to think it’s no
> different than wearing underwear or shoes. The next generation will
> probably wonder what all the fuss was about. I just hope the 50% of
> people who are saying they won’t get the vaccine when it comes out
> change their mind, I’ve heard numbers like 80% will probably need to
> get it, or we’ll be wearing masks forever. Even so, nobody knows if
> the shots will last 3 months or a year or longer. I’ve mostly never
> gotten flu shots, but we’ll probably need to get Covid shots every
> year forever. I don’t see it getting eradicated like smallpox.
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 4:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
>
> Stay safe guys. We have my cousins husband die from it two weeks
> ago...33 years old .
>
> My wife wears N95 masks, gloves, face shields , goggles, full ppe garb
> at work everyday....she changes out in our back porch, including
> shoes...we spray them with Lysol...showers as soon as she comes inside
> home..
>
> She has diabetes...
>
> I am about to hit 65 in November...taking no chances
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 3:37 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> We spent the last week at Lake Tahoe. Almost everywhere we went
> mask wearing was near 100%, until Friday, we went to a restaurant
> for lunch. They had set up booths outdoors with plexiglass
> dividers and plenty of distance. all the employees wore masks;
> they even provided a virtual menu via a QR Code that was on a card
> on the table (so far so good).
>
> When it came time to leave, my partner had to visit the restroom.
> She had to walk past the bar, where she said they were crowded,
> shoulder to shoulder, and zero masks. As Tony Fauci commented
> "Nothing good is going to come from that."
>
> I'm a 70-year-old guy, and while I think I'm in pretty good shape,
> I do not have ready access to any monoclonal antibodies, nor do I
> expect to in the next 6 months.
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/26/2020 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> We are on a curfew watch and stay at home order.... fucking
> selfish people out at bars and restaurants, home parties...
>
> My son was in New Zealand for three months... they had their
> shit together.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 1:21 PM Matt Hoppes
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting
> information. You said that this seems like it’s a joke but
> then also that you’ve moved everyone who can remote.
>
> I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed
> right now look at El Paso. This is not going away after
> the election.
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they
> clearly said that the natural progression of any novel
> virus is 3 annual seasons, with this one in particular
> being predominately in fall. this is season 2. We have
> treatments now that are effective, we quit killing
> people with ventilators the way were were in the
> beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no
> shortage of PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting
> on this changes to be less terrifying.
>
> Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and
> innoculated, 3 months permanent, no one knows if this
> is different thatn 99 percent of other viruses. but of
> the well over 30 million people who were verified
> positive via testing and have since recovered, less
> than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds are the
> vast majority are immune.
>
> Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved
> all positions that can be remote to remote. techs
> dont go any further than the garage if they dont have
> to. Its techs choice to mask up and glove up, and as
> long as they choose to mask up and glove up, it will
> continue to be there choice. This is only applicable
> to interiors, theyre not required to mask outside,
> thats simply ignorant to require and its not
> "following the science" . ut the tech can choose to do
> that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a condom
> all day, its none of our concern.
>
> Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply
> base it on the percentage of total tests that are
> positive, its gotten colder, so people arent getting
> tested on a whim and we are back to primarily people
> with risk factors getting tested, the positivity rate
> went up as would be expected, but not as high as
> anticipated.
>
> If legitimate numbers start going up like
> hospitalizations (luckily I have ins in healthcare so
> i dont have to rely on media reports and politically
> charged public health departments, i am privy to
> internal census reports in healthcare) then we will
> look toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if
> our coverage area sees a legitimate surge.
>
> We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was
> infected, we cancelled him for his quarantine period.
> We dont have in person company meetings. When we are
> together on project work we dont ride in the same
> vehicle, we just dont take any unnecessary risk, but
> we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact
> operations.
>
> I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working
> in a hospital, we are exposed constantly. (the low
> incidence of healthcare transmission is an oddity that
> after the politics of this thing are over I hope they
> do some deep diving into, its either going to boil
> down to we still dont actually know how its
> primarily transmitting or healthcare has such a high
> incidence of low viral load exposures that
> theyr innoculated without actually catching it,
> similar to how some allergies can be beaten through
> very low dose exposures to the allergen, will be
> interesting research when the politics of it are over)
>
> Every single "look at this country, look at that
> country" has turned out to be wrong on both sides of
> the argument, even WHO says lockdowns are the wrong
> solution now.
>
> Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to
> put a bunch of people in prison, even in this industry
> there will probably be some prison sentences handed
> out, the money came with requirements, it wasnt just
> free cash to grow a company.
>
> I can tell you there is something going around
> thats causing chest xrays to look exactly like covid
> damage, but no testing method is identifying the
> presence of covid or history of its presence, thats
> concerning, keep that in mind when relaxing policies.
> Its flu season, and given the disruption of
> interaction, this years flu vaccine is not going to
> very effective, its worth keeping covid policies in
> place regardless to not have staff out with a wild flu.
>
> And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning
> its 8 days of hell,
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> We are so bad we were featured on ABC News....
> people just want to fucking party...
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today,
> all we can say is “at least we’re not
Wisconsin”.
>
> I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter
> choosing to live in Maine, where “social
> distancing” was already the norm. (bike photo
> was actually from a ride a month ago up to the
> Quebec border)
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf
> Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8
> months and counting
>
> On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up
> panel and stuff because two electricians would
> wear masks...I wasn't there , I would have
> made them step outside ...our boss complained
> to water utilities because we are on a
> schedule with several people.
>
> The control room is small.
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>
> We are doing normal installs for now.
> Watching our local county info in internal
> tracking systems I developed.
>
> So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If
> things severely spike this winter we will
> shut down installs again.
>
> At this point we are not masking nor
> requiring customers to wear masks - but we
> do ask customers to stay 10feet away from
> techs. This point will be driven home even
> more as we go into the winter months.
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken
> Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
> So 8 months in, numbers are getting
> worse not better, and despite what
> anybody says the end is not just
> around the corner.
>
> I remember at the beginning some WISPs
> were not sending techs inside customer
> homes, maybe pushing a cable through
> the wall and having the customer plug
> in the POE and router. Is anybody
> still declining to do inside work?
> Installs, repairs?
>
> Also, what about the FCC requested
> “pledge” not to disconnect customers
> for nonpayment during the pandemic.
> How many are still doing that, and
> assuming things won’t be back to
> “normal” until well into 2021 or even
> 2022, how long do you plan to
> continue? Are you taking any
> additional steps, like downgrading
> their speed or declining to do
> upgrades, or requiring proof of
> hardship? I know this wasn’t
> mandatory, but if we did it
> voluntarily, should there be a time
> limit? And if at that point they are
> 6-12 months behind, do we write that
> off rather than expecting they will
> catch up?
>
> It’s also interesting I see on cable
> company forums issues about mask
> refusal, both by techs and customers,
> and even of customers who have Covid
> but still want their Internet fixed.
> I hesitate to bring this up because it
> has become a political or “freedom”
> issue in a way that seatbelts or
> smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a
> grain elevator or even picking up
> after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of
> being caught in the middle. But take
> the extreme case of a customer who
> recently tested positive or the tech
> gets there and strongly suspects
> someone in the house is contagious, is
> this really happening, and what is
> your response? At the beginning I
> would ask when setting up every
> appointment, has anyone in the house
> tested positive, but I’ve come to
> believe that’s pointless.
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