Band instruments?
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *[email protected]
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:22 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
I thought it was funny too. I was always curious as to why he had a
brand of vodka but bragged that he never drank. I guess anything for
a buck.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 28, 2020 9:15 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
This is humor to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p58I3Xs0v-c
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p58I3Xs0v-c>
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/28/2020 8:07 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I assume this is humor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU-ck7GNclc
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU-ck7GNclc>
but this may not be:
https://www.myshreddies.com/ <https://www.myshreddies.com/>
*From:*AF mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2020 9:53 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
& not a place I would like to spend any time...
On 10/28/20 7:02 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
LOL – I’ve been to places where that is actually common. :-/
*From: *Adam Moffett
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 28, 2020 8:49 AM
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
I guess since diapers don't stop farts just let the baby poop
on the floor.
On 10/28/2020 9:31 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
I think those videos are interesting but they may not be
that relevant to virus transmission. Those videos deal
droplet-sized (and bigger) emissions. Aerosols can’t be
seen on high-speed camera because they are too small. I
heard a funny analogy that stopping virus spread with a
mask is like stopping a fart with a diaper. Also not fully
accurate but funny.
Is there benefit from stopping large droplets? That is the
question. So what happens to even the large droplets that
get trapped in a cloth mask? The droplets themselves will
start to evaporate and eventually you are left with
aerosol sized or just the virus particles themselves.
They don’t just disappear right? Now when you
inhale/exhale the virus is small enough to escape from the
mask. And when you touch the mask, you move virus to
whatever you touch after that. And you bring it back to
your car or house or whatever because most people are not
disposing of masks or properly disinfecting them. So the
mask is more of an intermediary and not a virus destroyer.
Again, the consensus before March was that it doesn’t
limit the cloud – it just moves the cloud around. I’m not
aware of any evidence that has shown a cloth mask has any
benefit for slowing virus spread in communities. Maybe
one day we will have some kind of force field bubble that
can actually do that. The plastic barriers are another
example – coronaviruses survive quite well on these
surfaces so it might be having an overall opposite effect
of the intended purpose of slowing spread.
So, anyways, I will continue to wear a mask when requested
by business owners and other private property owners. I
just don’t think it is doing much besides making folks
feel like they are doing something even if they aren’t.
Absent the force field bubble, the only way to stop
transmission is to isolate humans, but that’s a whole
other can of worms…
*From: *Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:01 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
Wearing a face mask provides very little protection for
the wearer from the virus. This fact is what the
anti-maskers tend to spout over and over and over again.
And it's true. If you're wearing a mask to prevent
yourself from catching the virus, well, you're effectively
in the category of "something is better than nothing, but
not much".
However, what has changed is that we are dealing with a
virus that seems to be quite contagious before symptoms
appear. As a result, if we can limit the amount of virus
floating around in the 'cloud' around people who are
contagious but don't know it that will help. For this,
masks are *very* effective, even cloth ones although of
course some are better than others. There are quite a
few videos out on the net from various organizations that
have simulated this in various ways.
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s
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A mask doesn't prevent the virus from getting out, what it
does is limit the size of the cloud around people, with
much of the moisture particles (which contain the virus)
being caught by the mask. So, as is said over and over,
wearing a mask is to protect everyone around you, not you.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:22 PM Harold Bledsoe
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I also follow a simple rule that if a business/home
owner requires a mask, it is their property and their
right to require it. So, wear it.
That said, I do think it is unfortunate that anyone
that questions the efficacy of mask use in the general
population is assumed to be one of the “it’s a hoax”
people right off the bat. Masks have been around for
a hundred years and up until March or so of this year,
it was generally accepted that mask wearing by the
general population isn’t helpful. So the logical
question is, what changed?
If the reason to wear a mask is to hide my ugly face,
then, ok, there’s a good argument there. If it is for
some kind of universal symbol to remind us to keep our
distance from each other, then, again, ok that might
work. If we are all getting N-95 masks and will be
properly disposing of them after each
encounter/location and doing proper disinfection
afterwards – that too could work.
But if the argument is that we should wear neck gators
and cloth masks to protect our neighbors, well, I
think there is very little evidence to support this
(and again was generally accepted until March 2020).
I’ve personally seen my father get closer and closer
to others while wearing a mask because he can’t
understand wtf the other person is saying. So, in
these cases, it is discouraging the proven method to
slow spread (distance).
In my mind, these are 2 different things though:
1. following the rules set on private property by the
owners of that property
2. questioning if this is a valid mitigation strategy
or just virtue signaling and/or is there a better way
Perhaps this could be more useful:
*From: *Jay Weekley
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:51 AM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and
counting
We've lost a certain degree of social decency. We
have a mandatory mask
order but it's not enforced; however, the "it's a
hoax" or "you can't
tell me what to do" folks that won't wear one don't
seem to get that if
the person you're interacting with is wearing a mask
then there is a
pretty good chance they would like you to wear one
too. If the cashier
is wearing a mask then put one on yourself regardless
of what your
opinion of the virus is.
Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Unfortunately attitudes sometimes take a generation
to change. When I
> was young, people smoked everywhere, then they
started having
> designated smoking areas, now smokers are pariahs.
Used to be, if
> your dog pooped on someone else’s lawn, you left it
for them to pick
> up. People used to chew tobacco and spit on the
sidewalk. Buffets
> didn’t used to have sneezeguards. It took Seinfeld
to make “double
> dipping” a taboo. Other things like seatbelts and
child seats have
> gone from controversial to the societal norm.
Probably motorcycle
> helmets are the exception, mostly because the only
harm to others is
> they have to see your brains all over the road if
you get in an accident.
>
> It’s interesting how worked up some people get at
women breastfeeding
> in public, but asking that you wear a piece of cloth
over your nose
> and mouth when indoors and within close proximity to
others while
> there is a highly infectious respiratory disease
circulating, well,
> that’s an intolerable infringement on your freedom.
>
> Even the stores with the “no shoes, no shirt, no
service” policy,
> where was the outrage over that? What about
restaurants that require
> men to wear a coat and tie? I’m not a big fan, but
hey, your house,
> your rules.
>
> We seem to have lost the ability to respect others.
Like covering
> your head or taking off your shoes when going into
some houses of
> worship, that’s not a violation of your freedom,
it’s respecting others.
>
> With the Covid pandemic, though, I don’t think we
have time to wait a
> generation. Think of all the people who died
waiting decades for
> cigarettes to become uncool. I will say, when I see
the young kids in
> stores and other public places with masks, they seem
to think it’s no
> different than wearing underwear or shoes. The next
generation will
> probably wonder what all the fuss was about. I just
hope the 50% of
> people who are saying they won’t get the vaccine
when it comes out
> change their mind, I’ve heard numbers like 80% will
probably need to
> get it, or we’ll be wearing masks forever. Even so,
nobody knows if
> the shots will last 3 months or a year or longer.
I’ve mostly never
> gotten flu shots, but we’ll probably need to get
Covid shots every
> year forever. I don’t see it getting eradicated
like smallpox.
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Jaime
Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 4:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and
counting
>
> Stay safe guys. We have my cousins husband die from
it two weeks
> ago...33 years old .
>
> My wife wears N95 masks, gloves, face shields ,
goggles, full ppe garb
> at work everyday....she changes out in our back
porch, including
> shoes...we spray them with Lysol...showers as soon
as she comes inside
> home..
>
> She has diabetes...
>
> I am about to hit 65 in November...taking no chances
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 3:37 PM Bill Prince
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%20%0b>>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> We spent the last week at Lake Tahoe. Almost
everywhere we went
> mask wearing was near 100%, until Friday, we
went to a restaurant
> for lunch. They had set up booths outdoors with
plexiglass
> dividers and plenty of distance. all the
employees wore masks;
> they even provided a virtual menu via a QR Code
that was on a card
> on the table (so far so good).
>
> When it came time to leave, my partner had to
visit the restroom.
> She had to walk past the bar, where she said
they were crowded,
> shoulder to shoulder, and zero masks. As Tony
Fauci commented
> "Nothing good is going to come from that."
>
> I'm a 70-year-old guy, and while I think I'm in
pretty good shape,
> I do not have ready access to any monoclonal
antibodies, nor do I
> expect to in the next 6 months.
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/26/2020 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> We are on a curfew watch and stay at home
order.... fucking
> selfish people out at bars and restaurants,
home parties...
>
> My son was in New Zealand for three
months... they had their
> shit together.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 1:21 PM Matt Hoppes
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%0b>>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> Hold on. Reading your email I am getting
conflicting
> information. You said that this seems
like it’s a joke but
> then also that you’ve moved everyone who
can remote.
>
> I disagree we have hospitals that are
being overwhelmed
> right now look at El Paso. This is not
going away after
> the election.
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%0b>>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Its almost like nobody listened to
the science, they
> clearly said that the natural
progression of any novel
> virus is 3 annual seasons, with this
one in particular
> being predominately in fall. this is
season 2. We have
> treatments now that are effective,
we quit killing
> people with ventilators the way were
were in the
> beginning, healthcare isnt
overwhelmed and theres no
> shortage of PPE. We only have 8 days
until reporting
> on this changes to be less terrifying.
>
> Healthy people are being exposed,
beating it, and
> innoculated, 3 months permanent, no
one knows if this
> is different thatn 99 percent of
other viruses. but of
> the well over 30 million people who
were verified
> positive via testing and have since
recovered, less
> than 20 globally have been
reinfected, so odds are the
> vast majority are immune.
>
> Knowing what we know now, we have
permanently moved
> all positions that can be remote to
remote. techs
> dont go any further than the garage
if they dont have
> to. Its techs choice to mask up and
glove up, and as
> long as they choose to mask up and
glove up, it will
> continue to be there choice. This is
only applicable
> to interiors, theyre not required to
mask outside,
> thats simply ignorant to require and
its not
> "following the science" . ut the
tech can choose to do
> that if they want. hell, if they
want to wear a condom
> all day, its none of our concern.
>
> Our state positivity numbers are a
joke, they simply
> base it on the percentage of total
tests that are
> positive, its gotten colder, so
people arent getting
> tested on a whim and we are back to
primarily people
> with risk factors getting tested,
the positivity rate
> went up as would be expected, but
not as high as
> anticipated.
>
> If legitimate numbers start going up
like
> hospitalizations (luckily I have ins
in healthcare so
> i dont have to rely on media reports
and politically
> charged public health departments, i
am privy to
> internal census reports in
healthcare) then we will
> look toward lower contact solutions,
and no contact if
> our coverage area sees a legitimate
surge.
>
> We dont do stupid stuff, like my
contractor who was
> infected, we cancelled him for his
quarantine period.
> We dont have in person company
meetings. When we are
> together on project work we dont
ride in the same
> vehicle, we just dont take any
unnecessary risk, but
> we also dont let risk avoidance
unnecessarily impact
> operations.
>
> I quit worrying about exposures with
the wife working
> in a hospital, we are exposed
constantly. (the low
> incidence of healthcare transmission
is an oddity that
> after the politics of this thing are
over I hope they
> do some deep diving into, its either
going to boil
> down to we still dont actually know
how its
> primarily transmitting or healthcare
has such a high
> incidence of low viral load
exposures that
> theyr innoculated without actually
catching it,
> similar to how some allergies can be
beaten through
> very low dose exposures to the
allergen, will be
> interesting research when the
politics of it are over)
>
> Every single "look at this country,
look at that
> country" has turned out to be wrong
on both sides of
> the argument, even WHO says
lockdowns are the wrong
> solution now.
>
> Im still waiting for the fed money
that went out to
> put a bunch of people in prison,
even in this industry
> there will probably be some prison
sentences handed
> out, the money came with
requirements, it wasnt just
> free cash to grow a company.
>
> I can tell you there is something
going around
> thats causing chest xrays to look
exactly like covid
> damage, but no testing method is
identifying the
> presence of covid or history of its
presence, thats
> concerning, keep that in mind when
relaxing policies.
> Its flu season, and given the
disruption of
> interaction, this years flu vaccine
is not going to
> very effective, its worth keeping
covid policies in
> place regardless to not have staff
out with a wild flu.
>
> And remember, the media frenzy is
only just beginning
> its 8 days of hell,
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM
Jaime Solorza
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%0b>>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> We are so bad we were featured
on ABC News....
> people just want to fucking party...
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM
Ken Hohhof
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%20%3cmailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
>
> Numbers here in Illinois are
bad again today,
> all we can say is “at least
we’re not Wisconsin”.
>
> I no longer roll my eyes at
my daughter
> choosing to live in Maine,
where “social
> distancing” was already the
norm. (bike photo
> was actually from a ride a
month ago up to the
> Quebec border)
>
> *From:* AF
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%0b>>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> *On Behalf
> Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, October
24, 2020 12:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group
> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%20%3cmailto:[email protected]>>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs
& Covid at 8
> months and counting
>
> On Thursday our techs had to
stop wiring up
> panel and stuff because two
electricians would
> wear masks...I wasn't there
, I would have
> made them step outside
...our boss complained
> to water utilities because
we are on a
> schedule with several people.
>
> The control room is small.
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19
AM Matt Hoppes
>
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%0b>>
�� <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> We are doing normal
installs for now.
> Watching our local county info in internal
> tracking systems I developed.
>
> So far we’re staying
fairly isolated. If
> things severely spike
this winter we will
> shut down installs again.
>
> At this point we are not
masking nor
> requiring customers to wear masks - but we
> do ask customers to stay
10feet away from
> techs. This point will
be driven home even
> more as we go into the
winter months.
>
> On Oct 24, 2020, at
12:02 PM, Ken
> Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%0b>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
>
>
> So 8 months in,
numbers are getting
> worse not better, and despite what
> anybody says the end is not just
> around the corner.
>
> I remember at the
beginning some WISPs
> were not sending techs inside customer
> homes, maybe pushing a cable through
> the wall and having
the customer plug
> in the POE and
router. Is anybody
> still declining to do inside work?
> Installs, repairs?
>
> Also, what about the FCC requested
> “pledge” not to disconnect customers
> for nonpayment
during the pandemic.
> How many are still
doing that, and
> assuming things won’t be back to
> “normal” until well into 2021 or even
> 2022, how long do you plan to
> continue? Are you taking any
> additional steps, like downgrading
> their speed or declining to do
> upgrades, or requiring proof of
> hardship? I know this wasn’t
> mandatory, but if we did it
> voluntarily, should there be a time
> limit? And if at that point they are
> 6-12 months behind, do we write that
> off rather than
expecting they will
> catch up?
>
> It’s also interesting I see on cable
> company forums issues about mask
> refusal, both by techs and customers,
> and even of
customers who have Covid
> but still want their
Internet fixed.
> I hesitate to bring
this up because it
> has become a
political or “freedom”
> issue in a way that seatbelts or
> smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a
> grain elevator or even picking up
> after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of
> being caught in the middle. But take
> the extreme case of
a customer who
> recently tested positive or the tech
> gets there and strongly suspects
> someone in the house is contagious, is
> this really happening, and what is
> your response? At the beginning I
> would ask when setting up every
> appointment, has anyone in the house
> tested positive, but I’ve come to
> believe that’s pointless.
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