I cut people with Compuserve email addresses some slack. That’s like
driving a Corvair, it’s a classic. AOL is like driving a Pinto.
Neither should be your regular ride, but Compuserve brands you as a
member of an exclusive club of vintage users. AOL just brands you as
a Loser, someone who can’t figure out how to sign up for Gmail.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *James Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:21 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
/Part of the problem is that AOL users aren’t the sharpest knives in
the drawer/
//
This is an outrage that you would insinuate that a member of the Army
Of Losers might not be a sharp knife!
I actually had someone who I respected give me their @aol email
address not that long ago and all I could think of was “wow”……..
*From:* AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:06 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
It used to be the fix for AOL was to sign up for their “feedback
loop”. Basically they send you every message from your mailserver
that some AOL customer clicked on “Report as Spam” and you are
supposed to review them, in return they don’t blacklist you. (is
there a new non offensive term for blacklist?)
I’m not sure it’s still active.
Part of the problem is that AOL users aren’t the sharpest knives in
the drawer, and many think the way to unsubscribe from a list is to
click on “Report as Spam”. I would say when we were reviewing
supposed spam from the AOL feedback loop, at least 95% of it was not
spam. For example, we hosted mail for several churches. New members
or visitors would sign in with their contact info including an AOL
email address, and the church would start sending them weekly
newsletters. And they would click on “Report as Spam”. On the other
hand, when an email customer got their credentials compromised and
used to send spam, AOL would often be an early warning system. But
our mailserver throttles outgoing mail at 100 in an hour per account
and notifies us, and that serves as an early warning system.
Customers with malware on their computers harvesting their email
password is an ongoing problem. Sometimes we are changing email
passwords every 2-3 weeks for the same customer until they disinfect
all their devices. The usual advice use a complex password is
useless if it is being harvested with something like a keylogger.
*From:* AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*On Behalf Of *Matt Corcoran
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
AOL has its own problems. Only AOL customers cannot receive our
email invoices and billing alerts. I can’t get them to fix it.
People don’t like me telling them to change email addresses. But if
the mail man regularly chucks your mail out the window, you need to
talk to the postal service or switch to UPS.
*From: *AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
on behalf of Nate Burke <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Date: *Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 10:43 AM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Running the mail server is easy. Continually managing the server is
hard. Hacked customer accounts, SMTP Relays, It's always 'YOUR'
fault that they either cannot receive an email from a friend, or
cannot send an email to that friend. And the dreaded walking a
customer through setting up their email client.
I.E. AOL randomly just dumps mail from me, their servers accept it,
but never deliver it. I have no idea why, or any rhyme or reason to
it. But it's MY fault when a customer can't send to their friend at
AOL. And now I'm spending time looking through logs etc. That time
all adds up.
On 11/18/2020 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't know why people think it's difficult.
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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:10:14 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Or so he thinks. I hope it works out that way. it always seemed
really cheap to run a mail server, until you had to do it right.
Then it came to be very expensive. I surrendered and went to GMail.
To each his own though. I know you likely have a lot smarter people
than me around so they will likely handle it with no issue.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 12:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Cost. We have lots of accounts on it and lists and all kinds of
other things. We put in our own email server concurrent with a
new domain. So it will save a significant amount of money
for us.
*From:*Darin Steffl [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:31 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: OT windows update issues
Why are you leaving Gmail? There's nothing better unless you
need to live in the Microsoft ecosystem then you have office
365.
We love Google apps for business and I use it for personal email
too. They never let me down.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 11:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On top of all of this, we are migrating away from gmail
today. PITA
*From:*Chuck McCown [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:46 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* OT windows update issues
So, today it appears that my Windows Live Mail database is
corrupt. Can only see headers. So switching to outlook but
that is painful.
I rolled back the windows update that happened last night
but still dead WLM… sob…
Have resisted outlook for years. Few times it would be
nice. When someone sends a meeting or contact at least I
can read it without having to use a text editor and parsing
through the complex crap…
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