When I got started in the WISP business, another operator convinced me to run RADIUS on a DS10L Alphaserver using VMS. I will admit it never got hacked. No doubt because the target population was so small nobody bothered trying.
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? Aren’t most of the exploits for windows 3.1 so old they don’t work any more and no one would be checking for them? Ergo it’s more secure. On Dec 12, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Ok - you lost me. We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here. You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS. That is what I disagree with. Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Well that is pretty funny. My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1, Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their ability to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the admin is all that counts. OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less secure. Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate statement. A system is only as secure as you make it. CentOS is perfectly secure when operated correctly. As is any flavor of Debian. Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are doing and it's just as insecure as anything else. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure as Debian. But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with either one of them. On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum. Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. This just stinks, I had my centos process down. Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep patching and saying they mean it this time for years? On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL beta instead of RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a production environment you could always pay for RHEL. Or there’s Fedora. I believe Preseem runs on Fedora. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Steve Jones" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way? I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there major differences to it? I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote: > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its > tombstoned in 2021? > > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up. > > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the OS? It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was because it was rebuilt RHEL. 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