Oh man, VAX/VMS gives me nightmares. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:30 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> When I got started in the WISP business, another operator convinced me to > run RADIUS on a DS10L Alphaserver using VMS. I will admit it never got > hacked. No doubt because the target population was so small nobody > bothered trying. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > > > Aren’t most of the exploits for windows 3.1 so old they don’t work any > more and no one would be checking for them? Ergo it’s more secure. > > > > On Dec 12, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Josh Baird <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ok - you lost me. We're not talking about Windows 3.1 here. > > > > You alleged that Debian/Ubuntu was "more secure" than CentOS. That is > what I disagree with. > > > > Obviously, I don't think a Windows 3.1 system is secure. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:50 AM Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Well that is pretty funny. > > My statement is based on Steve's statement. No OS is secure out of the box > and unmaintained. But by your statement, all OS's are equivalent and the > admin is the only difference between any OS. So by your logic Windows 3.1, > Server 2003, BSD, CentOS, Debian, and Ubuntu are all equal in their > ability to withstand penetration because the OS doesn't matter since the > admin is all that counts. > > OS's do have inherent characteristics that make them to be more or less > secure. > > Of course you should break the shrinkwrap and stick some computer on a > public IP untouched. But that isn't what I was suggesting or implying. > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Josh Baird <[email protected]> wrote: > > "Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS" is not an accurate > statement. > > > > A system is only as secure as you make it. CentOS is perfectly secure > when operated correctly. As is any flavor of Debian. > > > > Put a Debian system in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are > doing and it's just as insecure as anything else. > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:13 AM Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Ubuntu is backed by Canonical, is based on Debian, and as for security I > would say Ubuntu is and has been more secure than CentOS and not as secure > as Debian. > > But to be clear they are better like Jennifer Garner is hotter than > Jennifer Aniston. Sure, hotter, but you likely would be really happy with > either one of them. > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts at 350 a > year per server, physical server only, and not intended for production use. > 2500 a year for the data center if I read it right > > > > I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading correctly > ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since it's all opensource > and not subsidized by a big dog like red hat. Probably doable, but no yum. > > > > Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I assume the > linux community will bring about a comparable solution or resolution. > > > > This just stinks, I had my centos process down. > > > > Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just keep > patching and saying they mean it this time for years? > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL beta instead of > RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer would be if you are using it in a > production environment you could always pay for RHEL. Or there’s Fedora. > I believe Preseem runs on Fedora. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 10:19 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > > > Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead? > > I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way? > > I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that route, are there > major differences to it? > > I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote: > > Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed centos and its > > tombstoned in 2021? > > > > Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know centos but I have my > > resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that pops up. > > > > Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where something is ended > > but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a legit end of the > OS? > > > It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a new distro if > that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use CentOS was > because it was rebuilt RHEL. > > I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core when it became > obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing on the peasants > before bringing fixes into their commercial version. > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > -- > > Lewis Bergman > > 325-439-0533 Cell > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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