Hi Josh;
An interesting 'emotional' response to the CentOS dilemma . It seems to
miss the objective of finding an immediate, short-term and/or possible
long-term solution for a CentOS replacement for the community. If you
look at the Oracle Linux information, it is a direct binary replacement
for CentOS right out of the box; usable right-away. Nor does it appear
to be just an appliance based product and only meant for Oracle
software. That would be a misleading characterization of their product
and to an inexperienced Linux end-user. It's almost suggesting to a
person, that you can't run other software on top of Microsoft Windows
unless it came from Microsoft itself, or iOS, unless it's from Apple and
so on. It does however appear that they (Oracle) are suggesting that
you will get a really great experience with their software running on
top of Oracle Linux rather than RedHat's version or CentOS or some other
Linux distro. I also think Oracle Linux is being positioned for the
cloud based network in which all of the big-ones wants to compete
head-to-head. Oracle Linux gives Oracle sort of control as to an OS you
can readily and easily pick when on their cloud platform that is based
on a well known Open Source Linux. Makes sense for them to keep it
going. I suspect IBM is positioning itself like that as well. They now
have RedHat on their cloud platform and control its direction. They're
all aiming for AWS and Microsoft (which has Azure and Windows).
Oracle Linux code and/or OS runs without any contortions for the
end-user, both experienced and inexperienced Linux users can benefit
from this. Essentially one can basically continue running a CentOS
environment right now if they wish and/or choose to do so using the
Oracle Linux software. And, more importantly without any subscription
fees, i.e. for free. I think their subscription pricing looks very
reasonable as well for what its worth especially if you're rookie and on
a budget. Nothing like hand holding from a single source, than Googling
the entire net and wading through tons of blogs and different ideas when
you're stuck.
Yes, Oracle doesn't appear to always play well with the Open Source
community products. But that can be perception. But I would say most
of the big companies who use and/or own Open Source software as their
business, don't do things the free and Open Source users like all the
time. All trying to protect their turf, products and revenue.
Oracle can be seen as the 'evil' one, don't trust them with a 10-ft
pole. Likewise Microsoft, RedHat, IBM, Amazon, Google, Apple and all
those crazy new free-software licensing terms and models software companies.
CloudLinux is also an option for a direct replacement. But this appears
to be only by subscription only for right now. When I had last checked
on it, it was not free and required a subscription that didn't appear
inexpensive. But more expensive for someone that is usually accustomed
to paying $0.00 for their server software.
Lincoln
On 13/12/2020 12:16 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
Sorry, but nobody in their right mind runs Oracle Linux unless you're
using Oracle software and appliances that require you to run OL for
support.
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:22 PM Lincs Chel <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi;
I think another option to consider would be Oracle Linux.
Consider the following from their blog, news and website:-
*
If you are reading this blog, you are probably a CentOS user
and are in the position where you need to look at
alternatives going forward. Switching to Oracle Linux is easy.
o
https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/need-a-stable%2c-rhel-compatible-alternative-to-centos-three-reasons-to-consider-oracle-linux
*
Need a stable, RHEL compatible alternative to CentOS?
o https://www.oracle.com/linux/
Another option if you're using cPanel & WHM is to most likely use
them as a good guide:-
* cPanel Support For CentOS 8 And More
o https://blog.cpanel.com/centos-8-end-of-life-announcement/
And, if you're coming from the old Cobalt Networks RaQ server era
days and/or BlueOnyx, they have a good blog, news & comments.
Probably their posture may be the best position to take when
looking and/or want to "marry" with a particular distro which had
various roadmaps during their history.
*
BlueOnyx has been available on CentOS since CentOS 5, but as
the CentOS project never was without issues and
unpredictability. Therefore we've never been fully "married"
to it. It's always been more of a matter of convenience than
one of choice. We even departed briefly from CentOS during
the CentOS 6 days and favored Scientific Linux 6 instead.
Since then we kept our eyes and ears open for alternatives
and also contemplated contingencies.
* You are here: Welcome to BlueOnyx» News
CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
o
https://www.blueonyx.it/news/280/54/CentOS-Project-shifts-focus-to-CentOS-Stream/d,Simplex%20News%20Detail
Based on BlueOnyx website news, they have indicated the original
founder of CentOS is considering a possible return:-
And like mentioned above: We're not the only ones whom RedHat
pulled the rug out from under our feet.
In fact Gregory Kurtzer (co-founder of CentOS) had this to
say
<https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/#comment-183642>:
I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may
even be able to hire some people for this effort. If you
are interested in helping, please join the HPCng slack
(link on the website hpcng.org <http://hpcng.org>).
Greg (original founder of CentOS)
If you've installed and use cnMaestro and Cambium's software on
CentOS, then the impact may even be more on your operations. I am
guessing Cambium's cnMaestro may drop support for CentOS eventually.
Lincoln
On 12/12/2020 11:39 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Mostly. IBM charges quite a bit for it, but they're big blue. Not
sure what they're getting out of their multi-billion dollar
purchase, but we would have to sit in their board room to
understand their thinking. I wouldn't be surprised to see that
they are saving money by getting all those community developers
do the work for next to nothing. Sure cuts down on the expenses
in the development department.
The only real issue is which version of linux you want hook your
wagon to. I used Centos for quite a long time; mainly because it
was "enterprise". Then it go too "enterprise" for my taste, and
have since switched to Debian. It's the same, but different. Same
enough for my taste, and down-homey enough for the small
operation we are.
NBD.
bp
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On 12/12/2020 8:14 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Linux... linux is free... right?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:39 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
I guess it would have been naïve of us all to expect no change
when IBM acquired RedHat.
*From:* AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2020 11:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
Holy shit, I just took a cursory look at redhat pricing. Starts
at 350 a year per server, physical server only, and not intended
for production use. 2500 a year for the data center if I read it
right
I run webmin to manage package updates and BIND. If I'm reading
correctly ubuntu isnt terrible, just less security patched since
it's all opensource and not subsidized by a big dog like red
hat. Probably doable, but no yum.
Has something like this happenned with centos historically? I
assume the linux community will bring about a comparable
solution or resolution.
This just stinks, I had my centos process down.
Is this end of life like a microst end of life where they just
keep patching and saying they mean it this time for years?
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Supposedly there will be CentOS Stream? Kind of like RHEL
beta instead of RHEL day old bread. I guess their answer
would be if you are using it in a production environment you
could always pay for RHEL. Or there’s Fedora. I believe
Preseem runs on Fedora.
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Debian is like Ubuntu ,only better. ;-)
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*From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]>
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*Sent: *Friday, December 11, 2020 5:12:13 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
I've been a peasant my whole life, is there any other way?
I think powercode is ubuntu now, so I'll probably go that
route, are there major differences to it?
I dont like saying ubuntu, too much like ubnt
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 3:47 PM Seth Mattinen
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/11/20 13:21, Steve Jones wrote:
> Am I reading all this right? Redhat officially killed
centos and its
> tombstoned in 2021?
>
> Everything I run is centos. It's not like I know
centos but I have my
> resource sets on where to go to resolve anything that
pops up.
>
> Is this just a normal thing in the linux world where
something is ended
> but actually just rebrands and keeps going or is it a
legit end of the OS?
It happens. Someone will probably fork it and make up a
new distro if
that hasn't happened already. IMO the main reason to use
CentOS was
because it was rebuilt RHEL.
I gave up on Red Hat about two releases into Fedora Core
when it became
obvious it was just rapidly changing garbage for testing
on the peasants
before bringing fixes into their commercial version.
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