So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and then obey my own Lent proclamation.
My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... Politics have protests. 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much free run of the place as a visitor. Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well yesterday. In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media tried to make the case that it was. The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things are measurable. Science B*tch. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I shouldn't have used "BS". As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then I care about Portland. Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <[email protected]> wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple You arrogant asses, you've killed us! -- On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted it... Trump enabled it. Go ahead and get off this list Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was going to be wild ... So fuck them to hell. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the same. god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and historically On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: WTF...third world country tactics... 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